Boeing 737 Max again, it would be nice if the windows [door plugs] stayed in!

[wraper]

I really wonder if the air field is built wrong, why would there be a wall there? It seems like its pretty feasible to just leave open dirt for a long way down the field...

it almost looks like if you can let it slide for a long while it would slow down and be OK


the runway should be long enough that if it lands without gear the plane can slide to a stop without hitting anything

a really good runway would have its landing equipment hide underground in a bad situation too, to clear the area, on a elevator with a closing door. I wonder if anyone ever did that

It wasn't a wall. It was an ILS antenna built by idiots. Made of basically indestructible steel tubes sticking out of a huge concrete foundation. Wall that comes after that is made of blocks that would fall apart without too much force.

[wraper]

Must have been some big brain who thought it was a good idea to build an antenna like that.



Sensible localizer antenna for comparison.

[jnk0le]

I think like a lot of things, DEI policies come from the right place, but are the wrong solution to the issue.  "The road to hell is paved with good intentions."

The principal issue I have with most DEI advocates is that they assume that everyone who is not in a discriminated group (basically, if you are white, or at least in the majority in your country) is implicitly involved in some kind of suppression of minorities/women.  And sometimes this suppression is subconscious, according to the doctrine (so called "unconscious bias" and "microaggressions").

I have never actively attempted to discriminate against anyone on the basis of race, sex, etc. and I see no reason why I would do so because it simply is not something I would consider moral or reasonable.  I believe that the hypothesis of unconscious bias is based on an assumption that people are racist/sexist at heart (a kind of "original sin") and this must be "corrected by re-education".  This is a very toxic belief in my opinion, and it belies the fact that many do not have these biases, many are allied in favour of anti-racism, but are still subjected to policies that are themselves inherently racist.  There is also this assumption that racism is entirely one directional -- these theories state that a black person cannot be racist to a white person, because the white person has a power structure that the black person does not have.  Well, I have had bosses of many ethnic backgrounds from middle eastern to black to white, and it would be very easy for a power structure there to exist where racism could come into play.  But, I don't seek to blame an entire racial group because the possibility of racism exists, I would only blame that individual person.  Thankfully I've never had to do so.

When it comes to improving equity (not equality) in the workforce I am all for it.  Everyone should be given the same skills and tools to succeed.  I am not opposed to making some internships more open to historically discriminated groups, but I would want this to be done on the basis of class, not race.  In the UK for instance, the number of young white men entering university is at a historic low.  Yet you rarely hear much about this group being discriminated against in education, the talk is always of ethnic minorities.  If a group is underrepresented according to the average in society it could be a sign of discrimination, but it could also be natural variation.  It seems that DEI advocates are upset that there are many fewer female software engineers than male SWEs, but they are much less concerned about there being many more male garbage truck operators, even though both variations are readily explained by self-selection.

The DEI people define equity as equal outcomes, and equality as equal opportunity.

I think we might be using different definitions then.  I am referring to the belief that equal opportunities should be available to all.  Not that outcomes should be equal.

Then you had better be careful in your interactions with DEI people. I have never seen one that does not explicitly call for equity, rather than equality, or who defines equity as anything other than equal outcomes. They get vague about what equal outcomes actually means, as the more you look at that as a goal the sillier it gets. So they generally retreat from saying this must be at the individual level, to saying it must happen at some group level. They most definitely are NOT looking for equal opportunity. They are very clear about that.

The 白左 definition of all of those "equality","equity" etc. words is exact opposite to their original meaning. (or whatever they are gaslighting you it is)
And now you are all arguing about whether it's "opportunity giving" or something else 

A classic ideologial subversion as described 40 years ago:


Also, hiring on the "oppresion score" metric rather than competency, makes it easier to insert sleepers (or spies) into critical positions. (isn't boeing military manufacturer btw?)

[coppercone2]

Well they need to start building structures like this at air ports
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/cnc_gamepedia_en/images/e/e5/TD_SAM_Site_Render_Animation.gif/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/120?cb=20180801164639

then they could hide everything on the path

coincidentally shooting down birds with a small sam site might be a option too. or at least scaring them off

I have seen navy antennas that lower to flat to help helicopters on ships

[RJSV]

   Don't forget what else comes with the whole DEI package.   Maybe wasn't formalized, in my case,  but one 'wrong' commentary, and I was given the boot,  from an apparently loving and compassionate group...the nearby local group serving disabled folks and special needs.
   (A place similar to Salvation Army types of help and benefits counseling, for the needy).

   I had simply mentioned, that this, (unnamed) disability counselors group had needed to 'stop working out of your homes' as it interfered with communicating with clients.
   Oh, and also I had mentioned that they should quit bragging about 'how diverse' they were.

   But I could see how the managers might take offense, using the non-profit community funded agency to 'punish' their client (myself)!
   "We have SHREDDED your files...No services for you,". They told me.

   (Now,  I've gone remote;  obtaining the disability counseling from a city 200 miles away.)

[wraper]

[SiliconWizard]

Yeah it's pretty horrible how the pilot managed such a great landing considering the problems and stupid infastructure ruined it all.

[Dundarave]

The whole DEI controversy escapes me.  There are so many stupid, incompetent, crooked, worthless fuckheads in positions of authority, as well as in worker-bee roles and in every other human endeavour all over the world even before DEI was a thing that even picking people at random for jobs has to be an improvement over the state of things, let alone using a DEI social convention to help equal-opportunity the general fuckheadness of all humanity.

Providing opportunities via DEI sure as hell can’t make things any worse from what I can see, given the state the world is in before it became a thing.

[tszaboo]

Must have been some big brain who thought it was a good idea to build an antenna like that.

It's called a localizer antenna, it's highly directional, and it has to be right there to function. It's there on every single modern airports.

I didn't find the video very satisfactory. It briefly mentions several causes but does not explain how the failure came about or why such a failure became possible.

True. The author did not mention DEI and pointed to the board of directors instead. I quickly checked the current board members, and none seem to come from a DEI background. What a disappointment.

No, those positions are exceptions, and with good reasons, because otherwise how would they do 100% complete of the opposite than what they tell others to do?

The whole DEI controversy escapes me.

Every single report  is saying that they have to lower the bar for DEI hires.

I'd like to take this opportunity to congratulate Boeing on being even worse than up until now.

[wraper]

Must have been some big brain who thought it was a good idea to build an antenna like that.

It's called a localizer antenna, it's highly directional, and it has to be right there to function. It's there on every single modern airports.

I literally said it's localizer antenna. And the problem is not where it was build but how. It's absolutely insane and like nothing else I've seen.

...
Sensible localizer antenna for comparison.

[Dundarave]

The whole DEI controversy escapes me.

Every single report  is saying that they have to lower the bar for DEI hires.

And I argue that the bar is already as low as it goes, and can’t be made any worse with DEI hires.

[tszaboo]

The whole DEI controversy escapes me.

Every single report  is saying that they have to lower the bar for DEI hires.

And I argue that the bar is already as low as it goes, and can’t be made any worse with DEI hires.

Well, than it's a good thing that despite what you think it's on it's way out.

[coppercone2]

It should lay down, be offset, be frangible, go underground or be way further away.

[coppice]

The whole DEI controversy escapes me.

Every single report  is saying that they have to lower the bar for DEI hires.

And I argue that the bar is already as low as it goes, and can’t be made any worse with DEI hires.

I understand that attitude when you look at the very poor quality people is much of public life. However, so far we have maintained a pretty low rate of bridges falling, because the engineers were incompetent, or doctors who don't have a clue how to deal with a patient. When skills really matter we usually have someone passably adequate doing the work. In fact, I'd say you can generally tell a job is a fluff job if an idiot can hold it for an extended period.

[wraper]

It should lay down, be offset, be frangible, go underground or be way further away.

It inherently cannot be offset. However it's easy to make it to give up on impact rather than act as impenetrable concrete wall. You really need to put some smooth brain effort to build it like this. They spent quite a bit of extra money to build that fortification.

[MT]

[tom66]

Engineers learned to build breakaway road signs for highways in the 90s because road signs started causing serious fatalities.  It's not a modern technology.  Why on earth was that contraption built, in 2008, to raise the antenna up but crush any plane that hit it?  Shockingly bad design.

[SiliconWizard]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engineered_materials_arrestor_system

[Analog Kid]

One thing I'm curious about:
Many videos out there, only a day after the crash. And there are a lot of different ones taken from different angles, as shown in the last video posted here. (You can clearly see the bird strike on the first landing pass, and then the plane skidding down the runway.)

Is it typical to have so much video available? Where does it all come from? Do airports routinely video departing and landing flights "just in case"? or is just a case of luck where some bystander decided to start shooting? (aviation fans, I'd guess).

[coppercone2]

not exactly a rare event (look at notable incidents)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Runway_excursion

you can say once a year in modern times after 2000 with pretty good accuracy, its almost guarnateed to happen once a year badly.

I wonder how many percent of landings are excursions.

I thought south korean infrastructure was supposed to be top notch

[CatalinaWOW]

One thing I'm curious about:
Many videos out there, only a day after the crash. And there are a lot of different ones taken from different angles, as shown in the last video posted here. (You can clearly see the bird strike on the first landing pass, and then the plane skidding down the runway.)

Is it typical to have so much video available? Where does it all come from? Do airports routinely video departing and landing flights "just in case"? or is just a case of luck where some bystander decided to start shooting? (aviation fans, I'd guess).

Video is cheap to collect these days.  There are three obvious sources.  Tower controllers likely have video for use in performance evaluation and training.  Airport security has video for property and boarding control.  And tourists are capturing video on their cell phones.  For all sorts of reasons.

[magic]

And I argue that the bar is already as low as it goes, and can’t be made any worse with DEI hires.

It's a magnet for whiners and narcissists, which is whole new level beyond just stupid and incompetent.

Remember that there are places which have been practicing it for decades. Want to know the outcomes - just look around.

[SiliconWizard]

MS is all in too! Wanna work at MS Research? I hear the coffee is good.

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/research/video/pronouns-in-the-workplace-learning-inclusive-software-design-from-real-world-experiences/

[pdeal]

The whole DEI controversy escapes me.

Every single report  is saying that they have to lower the bar for DEI hires.

And I argue that the bar is already as low as it goes, and can’t be made any worse with DEI hires.

What?! To embrace DEI in any way is to toss the goal of hiring the MOST competent people and to use other criteria. By definition!

[CatalinaWOW]

The whole DEI controversy escapes me.

Every single report  is saying that they have to lower the bar for DEI hires.

And I argue that the bar is already as low as it goes, and can’t be made any worse with DEI hires.

What?! To embrace DEI in any way is to toss the goal of hiring the MOST competent people and to use other criteria. By definition!

There is a theory, which I find has some small merit, that traditional measures of competency are incomplete.  Perhaps the best example would be in hiring someone for the design of some piece of consumer electronics.  Traditional measures would include training, experience in electronic design, knowledge of current electronic manufacturing techniques, software etc.  And would miss understanding of some markets.  Two examples would include audiophools and the urban car stereo crowd (think a kilowatt of bass power).    A broader experience base would aid in success in such markets in many ways including UI design, power interfaces and many other technical details.  And having different cultural and experiential backgrounds can help avoid groupthink.

Where this goes off the rails is when these currently possibly under evaluated elements of competency are substituted for or given greater weight than traditional measures.  Which seems to often be the case.