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Nominal Animal:

--- Quote from: tooki on February 26, 2020, 10:47:30 am ---D'oh! I think you're right, my sarcasm detector must have been on the fritz!  :scared:

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Me fail English often, here too...  :-[
Kjelt:
And sometime you miss the person that can oversee the entire (bigger) picture instead of the details.
True story: a glass product was sold at the millions but the management wanted to reduce the cost. The question was put to the manufacturer who could reduce 25% of the glass volume by re-engineering the design without changing the look, in laymens terms: change the thickness of the glass on places where the mechanical strength can be lowered.
Perfect and 1000 prototypes where flown in in flycrates packed in foam to the testlab, where they were tested rigourously for weeks and found to be OK.

So the company ordered start of the production and the millions of products were being manufactured, packed and shipped to the customers, and >80% arrived broken.  :)
To cut the story short: They forgot to change the carton boxing packing material to compensate for the changed product.
Alti:

--- Quote from: donotdespisethesnake on February 26, 2020, 11:15:19 am ---Back in the old days, senior managers in an engineering company were former engineers, (..)
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Thank you for the story, that still does not explain your attitude:

--- Quote from: donotdespisethesnake on February 23, 2020, 10:28:46 am ---I have spent many days in meetings battling with managers to persuade them their latest brilliant idea (..)
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Did you battle with incompetent managers as an engineer or as a stock owner?
I assumed that the former.

It does not make sense for a subordinate engineer to battle with manager or playing game of persuasion. This is not a marriage. A superior assigns you to a project and you follow the assignment the best you can. Whether this is a brilliant idea or not is not a subordinate engineer's concern.



--- Quote from: Alti on February 23, 2020, 07:17:08 pm ---Subordinate by definition must be less competent than a superior.
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As for superior being more competent than subordinate - of course in the above case this is limited to managing, not engineering. Manager does not have to know or understand engineering to be better in managing than a subordinate engineer is in managing.

However, just to be clear, if a manager makes engineering decisions without understanding the consequences of theese decisions, well, then again this is not a subordinate engineer's concern. I am sure the pesky manager has his own well paid boss and it is the boss that is the only person qualified to deal with it.
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