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Boston Dynamics New Robot ("Handle")
« on: February 27, 2017, 10:29:48 pm »
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Re: Boston Dynamics New Robot ("Handle")
« Reply #1 on: February 27, 2017, 11:06:53 pm »
Neat.

Boston Dynamics stuff is awesome and terrifying in roughly equal measure.
 
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Re: Boston Dynamics New Robot ("Handle")
« Reply #2 on: February 27, 2017, 11:41:10 pm »
Yep, and that is why, in the (near?) future, the human employment outlook for certain manual labor jobs should be terrifying to anyone needing that kind of work. A day of reckoning is coming to society where we are going to have to face the problem of what do to with all the unemployed manual laborers - yea yea I know - they are going to get jobs fixing the robots right?  ???
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Re: Boston Dynamics New Robot ("Handle")
« Reply #3 on: February 27, 2017, 11:50:57 pm »
Much more practical with the wheels. And less scary. Also a lot quieter compered to other models.  Any infos on the battery?

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Re: Boston Dynamics New Robot ("Handle")
« Reply #4 on: February 27, 2017, 11:59:24 pm »
yea yea I know - they are going to get jobs fixing the robots right?  ???
Considering how many stupid people are out there, with hands growing out of their ass, they are doomed.
 

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Re: Boston Dynamics New Robot ("Handle")
« Reply #5 on: February 28, 2017, 12:01:02 am »
I'd like to see the guy with the hockey stick have a go at this one!  >:D
 

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Re: Boston Dynamics New Robot ("Handle")
« Reply #6 on: February 28, 2017, 12:12:29 am »
It would have been hysterical if they'd programmed it to stagger away like it was dizzy after it did the 'stand in place and spin' thing.

Agreed - Very cool, but a bit scary at the same time.

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Re: Boston Dynamics New Robot ("Handle")
« Reply #7 on: February 28, 2017, 12:30:27 am »
As always, the Boston Dynamics stuff is impressive.  There is a lot of really subtle, beautiful thought there.  I had to watch the video again to understand the camber on the wheels when it was going around in circles and realize that it is achieved without any extra degrees of freedom in the "legs".  It is also interesting to see how some of the motions and strategies seem to be patterned after biological models, and some are totally unique to Boston Dynamics.  Kudos to them on another fantastic machine.

The only thing you have to wonder, is given how impressive their marketing videos have been, why isn't the world already covered with their creations?
 

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Re: Boston Dynamics New Robot ("Handle")
« Reply #8 on: February 28, 2017, 12:46:42 am »
Yep, and that is why, in the (near?) future, the human employment outlook for certain manual labor jobs should be terrifying to anyone needing that kind of work. A day of reckoning is coming to society where we are going to have to face the problem of what do to with all the unemployed manual laborers - yea yea I know - they are going to get jobs fixing the robots right?  ???


Why should an employer buy a robot at $250K when he can just use cheap people.  The movement of manufacturing from the west to places like China isn't because China has better robots -- it's because they have cheaper people.


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Re: Boston Dynamics New Robot ("Handle")
« Reply #9 on: February 28, 2017, 12:50:17 am »
Why should an employer buy a robot at $250K ...

In the future which I'm referring to, how is it that you know the cost of the robot  :-//?
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Re: Boston Dynamics New Robot ("Handle")
« Reply #10 on: February 28, 2017, 03:08:09 am »

Why should an employer buy a robot at $250K when he can just use cheap people.  The movement of manufacturing from the west to places like China isn't because China has better robots -- it's because they have cheaper people.


Brian

Here in the US a rule of thumb is that it costs about 2X wages to employ someone.  That covers the costs of administration, employer taxes, training ......   So a minimum wage person making $20K costs $40K a year to employ.  I have no idea what annual maintenance costs on the robot would be, but it seems likely that if the robot lasts 10 years it will have saved money.  If, like many industrial machines, it lasts 20 it virtually guaranteed to be cheaper than a human.

Similar (but different) analysis will apply worldwide, with robot costs likely much lower in China and other similar locations.  So while it is possible that cheap human labor will win in some locations, it isn't obvious to me that it will everywhere.
 

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Re: Boston Dynamics New Robot ("Handle")
« Reply #11 on: February 28, 2017, 11:38:52 am »
With boston dynamics robots you need to think a minigun on the shoulder of those to get the idea of the real application. Civil markets might be a spinoff for some technologies, but the support for killing the people enemies is what is the main field of application for BD robots. (DARPA, US Navy, US Army as associates and looking what kind of robots they are studying and developing)
 
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Re: Boston Dynamics New Robot ("Handle")
« Reply #12 on: February 28, 2017, 12:14:28 pm »
to understand the camber on the wheels when it was going around in circles and realize that it is achieved without any extra degrees of freedom in the "legs". 
Just like if you look up how people move with ice skates, skis or bikes (motor or velo).

Now how many years it will take I can follow from news those "Handle" derives as a mass control tools in streets of US, my quess is not many.  :-+
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Re: Boston Dynamics New Robot ("Handle")
« Reply #13 on: February 28, 2017, 01:10:53 pm »

Why should an employer buy a robot at $250K when he can just use cheap people.  The movement of manufacturing from the west to places like China isn't because China has better robots -- it's because they have cheaper people.


Brian

Here in the US a rule of thumb is that it costs about 2X wages to employ someone.  That covers the costs of administration, employer taxes, training ......   So a minimum wage person making $20K costs $40K a year to employ.  I have no idea what annual maintenance costs on the robot would be, but it seems likely that if the robot lasts 10 years it will have saved money.  If, like many industrial machines, it lasts 20 it virtually guaranteed to be cheaper than a human.

Similar (but different) analysis will apply worldwide, with robot costs likely much lower in China and other similar locations.  So while it is possible that cheap human labor will win in some locations, it isn't obvious to me that it will everywhere.

And don't forget to divide your working day into three shifts, factor in sick days, holidays, costs of safe working conditions, bathroom breaks, healthcare, all the things meat sacks need to get through the day, wastage due to 'mistakes' etc. so your costs treble.

Suddenly a robot workforce doesn't look expensive.

That's partly why the 'dirty' jobs in manufacturing get shipped to third world countries.

It's a nonsense to try to maintain jobs that can be done far cheaper elsewhere or by mechanisation.

Very sad fact of life but with the progress of technology it means industry and 'the workforce' has to be continuously evolving unless you can find some cosy little niche where 'old fashioned' is the main selling point.
 

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Re: Boston Dynamics New Robot ("Handle")
« Reply #14 on: March 09, 2017, 08:51:10 pm »
It's fucking awsome!!!  :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:
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Re: Boston Dynamics New Robot ("Handle")
« Reply #15 on: March 09, 2017, 09:08:09 pm »
Their suffering will be your suffering. You will not stand apart from it. No matter how superior you think your intellect.

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