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Re: BREXIT - what it means for small manufacturers
« Reply #100 on: December 14, 2020, 06:19:05 pm »
The Swiss hate everyone and everything from experience :-DD

Note: half my family is Swiss and they'll quite happily say the same things about their own family members in the next Canton as well.
Mountain people are mountain people. Anything beyond your valley is scary and bad.
 
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Re: BREXIT - what it means for small manufacturers
« Reply #101 on: December 14, 2020, 06:25:38 pm »
Note: half my family is Swiss and they'll quite happily say the same things about their own family members in the next Canton as well.
Canton? We call it GuangZhou these days. We have family there.

Sorry canton not Canton. Bloody iOS  :palm:
 

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« Reply #102 on: December 15, 2020, 06:58:41 am »
I find it rather cute that some post-colonial Brits would call us haters. I guess the moral high ground meme is something that really runs through the albions veins.

Btw as a funfact about Morals: I believe Switzerland has one of the most Brothels per square meter in Europe, but that was not the point either.  :popcorn:

Anyways, haters gonna hate and I suggest getting a cup of tea - earl grey, and see what happens. Even tho it is current year I do not believe your Doomsday porn will come true, not even close.
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Re: BREXIT - what it means for small manufacturers
« Reply #103 on: December 15, 2020, 07:21:39 am »
... and what it means to small consumers. :scared:
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Simply stocked up a bit since nobody knows
what availability in Germany will be next year.  :popcorn:

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Re: BREXIT - what it means for small manufacturers
« Reply #104 on: December 15, 2020, 06:25:30 pm »
[...]
Btw as a funfact about Morals: I believe Switzerland has one of the most Brothels per square meter in Europe,
[...]

Maybe I will have to revise my assessment of Swiss puritanism!  :D

Funny how many people in the world have so much trouble coming to terms with the fact of being a mammal...
 

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« Reply #105 on: December 16, 2020, 10:55:02 am »
[...]
Btw as a funfact about Morals: I believe Switzerland has one of the most Brothels per square meter in Europe,
[...]

Maybe I will have to revise my assessment of Swiss puritanism!  :D

Funny how many people in the world have so much trouble coming to terms with the fact of being a mammal...

If you take your assessment of a whole people by a Family Anecdote (big :palm: at that fact btw) of some guy from the Internet...  :-//  :-//
The whole point anyways was that I would not enjoy paying for someone else's enjoyment, especially not some career politician, and really why would you? To make the "anti-eu" crowd mad? Masochism?

The most ridiculous argument I keep on hearing is that without this central power version of the EU we have today we would have tons of new European Wars, where do you get that Idea from? Do you remember pre year 2000 EU? Do you mean something like Yugoslavia - an overreaching centralized and totalitarian government?

Nice Erasmus Projects, Science collaborations, free movement and not having the hassle of exchanging currency still dont make me cheer for Bureaucrats... I am just too much of a hatefull Swiss to accept Assimilation into the Collective.  :blah:
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Re: BREXIT - what it means for small manufacturers
« Reply #106 on: December 16, 2020, 06:54:02 pm »
My personal take, as an EU outsider who has traveled extensively to Europe for over 40 years, is that since the EU’s inception, individual countries have become less individual and more homogenized, more “European” for lack of a better term.

It is something very subtle, and can’t really pinpoint anything in particular or that sticks out. But there is something in the background.
 
Again, this is only my personal perception. I could be full of it.
 

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Re: BREXIT - what it means for small manufacturers
« Reply #107 on: December 16, 2020, 07:15:13 pm »
My personal take, as an EU outsider who has traveled extensively to Europe for over 40 years, is that since the EU’s inception, individual countries have become less individual and more homogenized, more “European” for lack of a better term.

It is something very subtle, and can’t really pinpoint anything in particular or that sticks out. But there is something in the background.
 
Again, this is only my personal perception. I could be full of it.

I think you are right, but the same effect is true across the Atlantic and elsewhere in the world -  perhaps driven by the same chain stores and the same products being consumed worldwide, and obviously especially in the Single Market?
 

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Re: BREXIT - what it means for small manufacturers
« Reply #108 on: December 16, 2020, 07:16:59 pm »
[...]
Btw as a funfact about Morals: I believe Switzerland has one of the most Brothels per square meter in Europe,
[...]

Maybe I will have to revise my assessment of Swiss puritanism!  :D

Funny how many people in the world have so much trouble coming to terms with the fact of being a mammal...

If you take your assessment of a whole people by a Family Anecdote (big :palm: at that fact btw) of some guy from the Internet...  :-//  :-//
The whole point anyways was that I would not enjoy paying for someone else's enjoyment, especially not some career politician, and really why would you? To make the "anti-eu" crowd mad? Masochism?

The most ridiculous argument I keep on hearing is that without this central power version of the EU we have today we would have tons of new European Wars, where do you get that Idea from? Do you remember pre year 2000 EU? Do you mean something like Yugoslavia - an overreaching centralized and totalitarian government?

Nice Erasmus Projects, Science collaborations, free movement and not having the hassle of exchanging currency still dont make me cheer for Bureaucrats... I am just too much of a hatefull Swiss to accept Assimilation into the Collective.  :blah:

Norwegians are also fiercely independent...  -   I think it is OK that we find arrangements that everyone can live with, it doesn't have to be the same formula for every country -  let's be practical! :D
 

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Re: BREXIT - what it means for small manufacturers
« Reply #109 on: December 16, 2020, 09:03:08 pm »
My personal take, as an EU outsider who has traveled extensively to Europe for over 40 years, is that since the EU’s inception, individual countries have become less individual and more homogenized, more “European” for lack of a better term.

It is something very subtle, and can’t really pinpoint anything in particular or that sticks out. But there is something in the background.
 
Again, this is only my personal perception. I could be full of it.

I think you're right. Part of it is the effective dismantling of borders. I know quite a few Europeans who live near borders and nowadays don't think anything of popping into another country to do some shopping, or go for a meal. Before the 'free movement' era that was something that was highly unlikely to do on a whim, you'd at least need your passport, you'd have to do some advanced planning in some cases. (Britain has been the odd man out in this regard, as there's a dirty great strip of water in the way between us and everybody else.)

Over the past 25 years I've done a fair bit of working around Europe on occasion; I definitely get the feeling that there is much less of a tendency for Europeans to think of Europeans from other countries as 'foreigners' in quite the same way they would have 30, 40, perhaps 50 years ago.
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Re: BREXIT - what it means for small manufacturers
« Reply #110 on: December 16, 2020, 09:38:23 pm »
My personal take, as an EU outsider who has traveled extensively to Europe for over 40 years, is that since the EU’s inception, individual countries have become less individual and more homogenized, more “European” for lack of a better term.

It is something very subtle, and can’t really pinpoint anything in particular or that sticks out. But there is something in the background.
 
Again, this is only my personal perception. I could be full of it.

I think you're right. Part of it is the effective dismantling of borders. I know quite a few Europeans who live near borders and nowadays don't think anything of popping into another country to do some shopping, or go for a meal. Before the 'free movement' era that was something that was highly unlikely to do on a whim, you'd at least need your passport, you'd have to do some advanced planning in some cases. (Britain has been the odd man out in this regard, as there's a dirty great strip of water in the way between us and everybody else.)

Over the past 25 years I've done a fair bit of working around Europe on occasion; I definitely get the feeling that there is much less of a tendency for Europeans to think of Europeans from other countries as 'foreigners' in quite the same way they would have 30, 40, perhaps 50 years ago.

Wonder if there is a correlation between a country being isolated by geographic features (water, mountains) and "feeling very sovereign"?
 

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Re: BREXIT - what it means for small manufacturers
« Reply #111 on: December 16, 2020, 10:10:52 pm »
Might be.

Even from my very first time in Europe, I was amused that Brits would describe people across the channel as “Continentals”.

Back then and previous to the EU, one could purchase an Eurail Pass which would be honored by all of the Western European countries. With the exception of the UK.
 

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Re: BREXIT - what it means for small manufacturers
« Reply #112 on: December 16, 2020, 10:21:06 pm »
My personal take, as an EU outsider who has traveled extensively to Europe for over 40 years, is that since the EU’s inception, individual countries have become less individual and more homogenized, more “European” for lack of a better term.

It is something very subtle, and can’t really pinpoint anything in particular or that sticks out. But there is something in the background.
 
Again, this is only my personal perception. I could be full of it.

I think you're right. Part of it is the effective dismantling of borders. I know quite a few Europeans who live near borders and nowadays don't think anything of popping into another country to do some shopping, or go for a meal. Before the 'free movement' era that was something that was highly unlikely to do on a whim, you'd at least need your passport, you'd have to do some advanced planning in some cases. (Britain has been the odd man out in this regard, as there's a dirty great strip of water in the way between us and everybody else.)

Over the past 25 years I've done a fair bit of working around Europe on occasion; I definitely get the feeling that there is much less of a tendency for Europeans to think of Europeans from other countries as 'foreigners' in quite the same way they would have 30, 40, perhaps 50 years ago.

Wonder if there is a correlation between a country being isolated by geographic features (water, mountains) and "feeling very sovereign"?
When I've had discussions about the EU over dinner with people from various EU countries, most people seem very much against the EU moving towards a United States of Europe, but very much in favour of relaxed borders. My impression is the desire for sovereignty is widespread, and quite separate from having the more casual flow of people across borders we see today.
 

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Re: BREXIT - what it means for small manufacturers
« Reply #113 on: December 16, 2020, 10:29:58 pm »
My personal take, as an EU outsider who has traveled extensively to Europe for over 40 years, is that since the EU’s inception, individual countries have become less individual and more homogenized, more “European” for lack of a better term.

It is something very subtle, and can’t really pinpoint anything in particular or that sticks out. But there is something in the background.
 
Again, this is only my personal perception. I could be full of it.

I think you're right. Part of it is the effective dismantling of borders. I know quite a few Europeans who live near borders and nowadays don't think anything of popping into another country to do some shopping, or go for a meal. Before the 'free movement' era that was something that was highly unlikely to do on a whim, you'd at least need your passport, you'd have to do some advanced planning in some cases. (Britain has been the odd man out in this regard, as there's a dirty great strip of water in the way between us and everybody else.)

Over the past 25 years I've done a fair bit of working around Europe on occasion; I definitely get the feeling that there is much less of a tendency for Europeans to think of Europeans from other countries as 'foreigners' in quite the same way they would have 30, 40, perhaps 50 years ago.

Wonder if there is a correlation between a country being isolated by geographic features (water, mountains) and "feeling very sovereign"?
When I've had discussions about the EU over dinner with people from various EU countries, most people seem very much against the EU moving towards a United States of Europe, but very much in favour of relaxed borders. My impression is the desire for sovereignty is widespread, and quite separate from having the more casual flow of people across borders we see today.

The way my Continental family/friends view it is - in general - that the EU is a "lesser evil" and they think it is good that they have a say and a veto.  There seems to be a general sense that if there wasn't an EU, one would have to be invented and it would end up looking not too different from what we have.

I agree that the balance between local and federal power in the EU shouldn't be pushed too far towards the federal model.  The EU must not slide into the kind of messy politics that we have seen e.g. in the United States on the federal level - that would more than reason enough for me to vote Leave!

 

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Re: BREXIT - what it means for small manufacturers
« Reply #114 on: December 16, 2020, 11:22:54 pm »
The Poms could get some leverage out of Brexit, like having imported or locally produced electronic products not having to comply with the EU's ridiculous CE Radio Emissions Directive (CE RED). You cannot sell a $5 AM radio is the EU without having it comply with this RED directive. CE RED is bureaucracy gone mad, resulting in huge compliance testing costs and extended delays in getting product to market. It gets a lot more costly if you design device with two transceivers, like Bluetooth and WiFi using a third party module in your product. Change the plastic enclosure a slight amount, and you have to retest the lot again. The only winners are the regulatory compliance test houses. The Poms will do well to dump this European CE RED stupidity, and adopt something more sensible like Australia's regulatory compliance (RCM) or the USA (FCC).
 

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Re: BREXIT - what it means for small manufacturers
« Reply #115 on: December 19, 2020, 12:47:50 pm »
Just read and watched the video of this news, just watch the video, interesting spot ... like transporting car windscreen wipers using helicopter ?  :o

Curious how much is the selling cost ?  :-//  ???

-> Brexit thingy ...

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Re: BREXIT - what it means for small manufacturers
« Reply #116 on: December 19, 2020, 01:37:42 pm »
Dover gets snarled up on a regular basis. The have a name & plan for it (Operation Stack) since the 80's, there are roadsigns up that refer to it etc.. Nothing new there.

That haulage firm bought at least one helicopter a couple of years ago (https://www.keranews.org/2019-01-10/no-deal-brexit-threatens-trucking-shipments-across-english-channel) - and for sure it's cheaper to fly windscreen wipers in than have a production line stop. When you need your wiper blades flown by helicopters you'll will certainly pay for it.
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Re: BREXIT - what it means for small manufacturers
« Reply #117 on: December 19, 2020, 01:50:03 pm »
Dover gets snarled up on a regular basis. The have a name & plan for it (Operation Stack) since the 80's, there are roadsigns up that refer to it etc.. Nothing new there.

There is however a new plan. To prevent congestion on the roads though Kent to Dover, come Brexit, lorries destined for Dover are going to banned from entering Kent without having filed for permission. Thing is that, in usual government IT project fashion, the system and software to manage this is running late and is not even tested. The hauliers were only given a half finished specification for their end of it a month or two back and may not even yet have the final specification. But, of course, the system of penalties to enforce this is still due to come into operation on the 1st January.
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« Reply #118 on: December 19, 2020, 02:30:05 pm »
Operation Brock?  |O

Being near Felixstowe we know a number of people in logistics, they are a pretty stoical bunch - I think they must all be on medication, but they deny this.

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« Reply #119 on: December 19, 2020, 03:00:23 pm »
Reminds me of "Captain Lockheed and the Starfighters", a concept album by Hawkwind and others about the Lockheed F-104 "Widowmaker" aka Starfighter. One track starts with a voiceover of someone administering a list of tranquillising drugs to a pilot to prepare them for climbing into the cockpit of one of these widowmakers:


Ground Control: Ready for last minute cock-pit-check?
Pilot: OK
GC: Largactil....five milligrammes
P: Check
GC: Valium...ten milligrammes
P: Check
GC: Haloperidol...five milligrammes
P: Which one?
GC: The little white ones. W - W for white. (W-W written as the German VolksWagen symbol)
P: (a bit slower) OK. Check
GC: Pheno Barbitone. Five Milligrammes
P: (slower) Check
GC: Disipel...five milligrammes
P: (even slower) Cheeeck
GC: Glass of water
P: Cheeeeeeeck...
Ground Control and Pilot: Our father .... which art in heaven hallowed be ... mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxi ma culpa
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Re: BREXIT - what it means for small manufacturers
« Reply #120 on: December 20, 2020, 01:35:03 pm »
Whatever you say about BREXIT. Boris promised to spend £350M a week extra on the NHS - that has certainly come true |O

And with this new variant of COVID (70% better! and made here in good ole Blighty) at least the EU has a genuine reason to brick up the chunnel.
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Re: BREXIT - what it means for small manufacturers
« Reply #121 on: December 20, 2020, 01:37:09 pm »
Well actually they cut all other services to keep spending under control.
 
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« Reply #122 on: December 20, 2020, 01:42:48 pm »
Well actually they cut all other services to keep spending under control.
You didn't think I actually fact checked my post? :-DD
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Re: BREXIT - what it means for small manufacturers
« Reply #123 on: December 20, 2020, 01:44:54 pm »
 :-DD

Perhaps you should have written it on the side of a large red bus  :-DD
 
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Re: BREXIT - what it means for small manufacturers
« Reply #124 on: December 23, 2020, 11:22:55 am »
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/eur/2015/2447/article/139/adopted

If you're in the EU (or UK before 1/1/2021):
When shipping by post, you declare the value of the goods and include any postage.  Fair enough.
So at present, if I sell something to someone outside the EU for £35.00 and charge £5.00 postage I would declare £40.00 on the customs form (CN22).

So what happens from 1st January 2021?

In the past there have been cases of people charging a lower price for the goods and bumping up the shipping and then declaring only the lower goods price to try and scrape under some customs threshold.  I've seen companies charge one price for whole item, and then split the invoice into two sections (software and hardware) and only declare the hardware. Are these practices going to return.

Also VAT.. At the moment we charge UK VAT to most EU customers (some customers submit their EU VAT/TVA number and then we zero rate the goods).  We are expecting to zero rate all exported goods from 1/1/2021 unless we hear otherwise. Anyone else have an opinion?
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