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Re: BREXIT - what it means for small manufacturers
« Reply #125 on: December 23, 2020, 11:50:56 am »
Anyone else have an opinion?

I guess your starting point would be https://www.gov.uk/transition   ::)

"From 1 January 2021, you can charge customers VAT at 0% (known as 'zero rate') on most goods you export to the EU. "  :popcorn:

https://www.gov.uk/prepare-to-export-from-great-britain-from-january-2021 *

* Assuming you're in GB, not UK  :-DD
 

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Re: BREXIT - what it means for small manufacturers
« Reply #126 on: December 23, 2020, 12:28:25 pm »
Cheers olkipukki - we've spent several hours today and yesterday watching .gov.uk webinars and reading through .gov.uk stuff.

Guess we'll just have to wait and see what happens, was half expecting Boris to delay for another 6 months. The French border shutting has hardened the UK governments resolve to power through at any cost I suspect.
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Re: BREXIT - what it means for small manufacturers
« Reply #127 on: December 23, 2020, 01:18:32 pm »
Cheers olkipukki - we've spent several hours today and yesterday watching .gov.uk webinars and reading through .gov.uk stuff.

Back in the 60s/70s the Civil Service published a little series of books on how to present information for public consumption, how to design forms, how to present statistics fairly and honestly and so on. They were published via HMSO and were universally excellent. Anyone in the Civil Service who had to produce something for public consumption was pointed at those books, and, for the most part, the Civil Service was a shining beacon of clarity when it came to telling you what you needed to know.

They seem to have completely forgotten all of this, and trying to get the sort of information that everybody needs out of Government nowadays is a confusing, messy, shitshow. I have a suspicion that 'digital transformation' is at the heart of it and that the old guard don't 'get' digital media and the pimply faced youths that have taken over from the previous generation of information officers consider it beneath them to read the books and use the principles that served so well for so many years 'because dead tree stuff'.
Anybody got a syringe I can use to squeeze the magic smoke back into this?
 
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Re: BREXIT - what it means for small manufacturers
« Reply #128 on: December 23, 2020, 03:05:07 pm »
Cheers olkipukki - we've spent several hours today and yesterday watching .gov.uk webinars and reading through .gov.uk stuff.

Back in the 60s/70s the Civil Service published a little series of books on how to present information for public consumption, how to design forms, how to present statistics fairly and honestly and so on. They were published via HMSO and were universally excellent. Anyone in the Civil Service who had to produce something for public consumption was pointed at those books, and, for the most part, the Civil Service was a shining beacon of clarity when it came to telling you what you needed to know.

They seem to have completely forgotten all of this, and trying to get the sort of information that everybody needs out of Government nowadays is a confusing, messy, shitshow. I have a suspicion that 'digital transformation' is at the heart of it and that the old guard don't 'get' digital media and the pimply faced youths that have taken over from the previous generation of information officers consider it beneath them to read the books and use the principles that served so well for so many years 'because dead tree stuff'.

We are living in an era of incredible incompetence in government, supported by the kinds of people who didn't have much say historically (for good reasons).
 

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Re: BREXIT - what it means for small manufacturers
« Reply #129 on: December 23, 2020, 04:54:50 pm »
Back in the 60s/70s the Civil Service published a little series of books on how to present information for public consumption, how to design forms, how to present statistics fairly and honestly and so on. They were published via HMSO and were universally excellent. Anyone in the Civil Service who had to produce something for public consumption was pointed at those books, and, for the most part, the Civil Service was a shining beacon of clarity when it came to telling you what you needed to know.
Sir Ernest Gowers "The Complete Plain Words", written in response to his civil service experiences, has been a standard text book for presentation of technical information courses that are part of UK STEM degree courses.
 

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Re: BREXIT - what it means for small manufacturers
« Reply #130 on: December 23, 2020, 05:17:42 pm »
What about CE / UKCA certification?
Was discussed in one of topic recently, but is there any updates? Like someone said existing stocks OK, but new products have to be UKCA recertified...
 

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Re: BREXIT - what it means for small manufacturers
« Reply #131 on: December 23, 2020, 05:36:46 pm »
There is so little infomation available about UKCA and what'll mean.  We're assuming that (as far as it concerns electronics) UKCA will be in lockstep with EU CE.

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Re: BREXIT - what it means for small manufacturers
« Reply #132 on: December 23, 2020, 06:00:56 pm »
Also VAT.. At the moment we charge UK VAT to most EU customers (some customers submit their EU VAT/TVA number and then we zero rate the goods).  We are expecting to zero rate all exported goods from 1/1/2021 unless we hear otherwise. Anyone else have an opinion?

This is what I believe too.  I did a webinar with HMRC yesterday, an hour I won't get back but some handy things in there.
 

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Re: BREXIT - what it means for small manufacturers
« Reply #133 on: December 23, 2020, 06:20:29 pm »
Did the same jc101 - the only thing I got from it was the official pronunciation of EORI and the wonderful word "germplasm".
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Re: BREXIT - what it means for small manufacturers
« Reply #134 on: December 23, 2020, 07:08:42 pm »
Just found items on ebay from UK relisted now with international shipping and VAT added. Even for items that end before January 1st.
 

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Re: BREXIT - what it means for small manufacturers
« Reply #135 on: December 23, 2020, 07:17:21 pm »
Just found items on ebay from UK relisted now with international shipping and VAT added. Even for items that end before January 1st.
Can you post a link.  I would expect that anything that ends/ships before January 1st should have VAT added as the UK is still in 'transistion'.

After January 1st would expect item to be VAT free (there are caveats, some to do with selling more than £100,000 per annum to Germany requiring VAT registration locally). Might be the way eBay works??
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Re: BREXIT - what it means for small manufacturers
« Reply #136 on: December 23, 2020, 08:31:00 pm »
... (there are caveats, some to do with selling more than £100,000 per annum to Germany requiring VAT registration locally).
€ (EUR)   8)  but taking into account the pound is heading to a parity, not much difference here right now  ::)

Might be the way eBay works??
eBay might bend under DE/EU rules, technically they already "charge" VAT-equavalent on behalf some countries and give a seller some reference that a custom use to scan paid duties/VAT.
No wonder if they will do it too for UK later.
 

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Re: BREXIT - what it means for small manufacturers
« Reply #137 on: December 23, 2020, 09:51:53 pm »
Can you post a link.  I would expect that anything that ends/ships before January 1st should have VAT added as the UK is still in 'transistion'.

ebay 203223773497.
The item has been listed since quite some days. Just yesterday the international shipping with the approx. import taxes occured, the day before it was 0.00 (as UK and DE do not charge taxes on exchange).

 

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Re: BREXIT - what it means for small manufacturers
« Reply #138 on: December 24, 2020, 03:06:34 pm »
post-BREXIT deal agreed.  Thank f**k for that.
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Re: BREXIT - what it means for small manufacturers
« Reply #139 on: December 24, 2020, 03:08:37 pm »


1:51, new EU anthem.
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Re: BREXIT - what it means for small manufacturers
« Reply #140 on: December 24, 2020, 04:24:30 pm »
post-BREXIT deal agreed.  Thank f**k for that.

2000 pages of small print to decipher you mean...
 

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Re: BREXIT - what it means for small manufacturers
« Reply #141 on: December 24, 2020, 04:29:44 pm »
post-BREXIT deal agreed.  Thank f**k for that.
Johnson seems to think he secured everything promised. There's no blaming the EU for whatever disasters befall the UK from here on.
 

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Re: BREXIT - what it means for small manufacturers
« Reply #142 on: December 24, 2020, 04:32:42 pm »
It’s a fucking shit show the further I look into the details. The EU are pissing themselves laughing at this “deal”.

No financial services or data protection provision. Exports to EU now valued at 13% of original capital transfer. Gain roaming charges and visa nightmares. No defence provision. Lose access to Galileo and Horizon.

I await us stumbling into a capitalist dystopia pretty sharpish (baby America)
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Re: BREXIT - what it means for small manufacturers
« Reply #143 on: December 24, 2020, 04:42:43 pm »
It was always going to be a poor deal - I think we've known this since the BREXIT vote. But probably better than NO deal.  It's the uncertainity that's been killing.
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Re: BREXIT - what it means for small manufacturers
« Reply #144 on: December 24, 2020, 05:05:55 pm »
There’s still a lot of uncertainty. It can be voted down by ERG plants and then we end up with no deal still.
 

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Re: BREXIT - what it means for small manufacturers
« Reply #145 on: December 24, 2020, 05:17:49 pm »

Predictions:

1) Brexiters will claim "this is not a true Brexit" and wash their hands of any and all problems

2) Industry/finance push for ever more deals/agreements to be tagged on to this over the years so we eventually end up close to where we started
 

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Re: BREXIT - what it means for small manufacturers
« Reply #146 on: December 24, 2020, 05:20:12 pm »
Correct!

Hopefully Farage and all the associated loons will fuck off at least.
 

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Re: BREXIT - what it means for small manufacturers
« Reply #147 on: December 24, 2020, 05:27:35 pm »
There’s still a lot of uncertainty. It can be voted down by ERG plants and then we end up with no deal still.
Labour will vote for this and most Tory MPs are fundamentally remainers held hostage by the brextremists in the party and can claim they are voting 'for' brexit by agreeing to this deal. The ERG will be irrelevant.

Sadly, the chances of Farage & Co. fucking off permanently are minimal.
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Re: BREXIT - what it means for small manufacturers
« Reply #148 on: December 24, 2020, 05:33:06 pm »
Hopefully he'll go flying in a light aircraft again  >:D
 

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Re: BREXIT - what it means for small manufacturers
« Reply #149 on: December 24, 2020, 05:54:39 pm »
The big issue for small internet  traders selling into the uk from the eu and vice versa is customs clearance around vat

Vat will now have  be collected on everything which means delays and clearance charges , ordinary people don’t suddenly like getting another bill plus xx euros/pounds for clearance charges , plus the delays etc

It’s back to the early 80s.

Even things like bringing expensive gear  into the EU /UK to bring it back , ( test gear  tools of the  trade ) will require ATA carnets

In 1980s I could at least pay my postman , now he can’t take cash and I have to go to a post office to collect

So , if you  are a small supplier maybe selling a few kits into the uk , from the eu ,  even though you arnt vat registered , your customers will see a 21% uplift ( plus clearance charges ) . For the exact same thing, plus delays etc . The exact reverse will to a small uk supplier selling into the eu 

It will kill small internet traders.

It’s a clusterF 

The big looser isn’t the UK, it’s Ireland
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