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BREXIT - what it means for small manufacturers
« on: December 11, 2020, 01:39:21 pm »
So it looks very much like there will be no deal between the UK and the EU.

Thought I'd start a thread to pragmatically discuss/help/suggest how this will affect small electronic releated manufacturers when it comes to importing/exporting from the UK.
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Re: BREXIT - what it means for small manufacturers
« Reply #1 on: December 11, 2020, 02:02:57 pm »
Some resources:

HTS (Harmonised Tarriff Schedule) https://hts.usitc.gov/current
This is really useful, and found it easier to look up HTS codes than some other sites.

WTO Tarriff http://tariffdata.wto.org/

UK GOV https://www.gov.uk/topic/business-tax/import-export
Import into GB from EU https://www.gov.uk/prepare-to-import-to-great-britain-from-january-2021
Export from GB to EU https://www.gov.uk/prepare-to-export-from-great-britain-from-january-2021

If you import/export you'll almost definitely need an EORI.

Also worth pointing out that there is likely to be different rules for some businesses in Northern Ireland (NI) as they share a border with Ireland (IRL) which is still in the European Union (EU).
So just to explain for the uninitiated:
United Kingdom (UK) is Great Britain (GB) and North Ireland (NI).
Great Britain (GB) is England, Scotland and Wales.

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Re: BREXIT - what it means for small manufacturers
« Reply #2 on: December 12, 2020, 06:40:07 am »
United Kingdom (UK) is Great Britain (GB) and North Ireland (NI).
Great Britain (GB) is England, Scotland and Wales.

UK and GB legally it is two different countries?
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Re: BREXIT - what it means for small manufacturers
« Reply #3 on: December 12, 2020, 11:35:42 am »
United Kingdom (UK) is Great Britain (GB) and North Ireland (NI).
Great Britain (GB) is England, Scotland and Wales.

UK and GB legally it is two different countries?

That's far too simple.

As someone that dislikes yootoob videos, I recommend this short information-dense explanation:


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Re: BREXIT - what it means for small manufacturers
« Reply #4 on: December 12, 2020, 11:45:26 am »
United Kingdom (UK) is Great Britain (GB) and North Ireland (NI).
Great Britain (GB) is England, Scotland and Wales.

UK and GB legally it is two different countries?

That's far too simple.

As someone that dislikes yootoob videos, I recommend this short information-dense explanation:

Confused? You will be!

So I was taught incorrectly at school London is the capital of Great Britain? From this very fluent English, I understood that Great Britain is the name of an island, not a country.  |O
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Re: BREXIT - what it means for small manufacturers
« Reply #5 on: December 12, 2020, 12:38:32 pm »
United Kingdom (UK) is Great Britain (GB) and North Ireland (NI).
Great Britain (GB) is England, Scotland and Wales.

UK and GB legally it is two different countries?

So I was taught incorrectly at school London is the capital of Great Britain? From this very fluent English, I understood that Great Britain is the name of an island, not a country.  |O

Kind of, yes, UK is four nations, England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland, GB is England, Wales and Scotland.

https://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/blog/2011/08/whats-the-difference-between-uk-britain-and-british-isles/

Each UK country has their own capital city, Wales, Scoland and Northern Ireland have their own governments which have certain powers devolved from Westminster, London, so London is the capital of the UK and England but not the capital of Scotland, Wales or Northern Ireland.

Each nation's government  has  "local" governance of devolved matters and they send representatives to Westminster to sit in parliament to deal with non devolved powers that affect all four nations.

It's a big old mess and there are increasingly strong movements for independence from England in Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland.

Those three nations have had independence movements for many years and Brexit has made them even stronger, Northern Ireland and Scotland voted quite heavily in favour of remaining EU members so Brexit may be the thing which breaks up the UK and causes reunification of Ireland and Northern Ireland as well as some serious violence between the opposing factions.

Wales voted for Brexit (by a smaller margin than England) but has long had an independence movement which has also grown stronger since the Brexit vote.

Basically Brexit has not only driven a wedge between UK and EU, it's driven a wedge between the four countries of the UK and it seems to be getting worse.

It's a complete clusterfuck.
 
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Re: BREXIT - what it means for small manufacturers
« Reply #6 on: December 12, 2020, 12:59:09 pm »
Amid RHA and Bifa concerns about the lack of progress, HMRC, Defra, the HO, the Dft, the BPDG and the TTF are building up IT systems for post-Brexit GB-EU trade and particularly for RoRo at Dover-Calais which will involve exporters submitting import/export declarations to Chief and the CDS, S&S information to S&S GB and ICS, and collating their SPS documentation - including an EHC filled out by an CSO under the supervision of an OV sent via a BCP - with the importer lodging it on Traces NT, while generating a GMR via GVMS and SI Brexit, and then HGVs getting a KAP, all to avoid the RWCS.

Any the wiser
 
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Re: BREXIT - what it means for small manufacturers
« Reply #7 on: December 12, 2020, 01:05:31 pm »
.... it seems to be getting worse.

It's a complete clusterfuck.

Indeed, and for UK's adversary(ies) POV ... things look better say compared to a decade ago.

Uncle Sam also started this similar trend about 4 years ago ... and still going strong.

Words like "divide & conquer" automatically pop out in our mind when seeing the condition, isn't it ?

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Re: BREXIT - what it means for small manufacturers
« Reply #8 on: December 12, 2020, 01:26:48 pm »
Amid RHA and Bifa concerns about the lack of progress, HMRC, Defra, the HO, the Dft, the BPDG and the TTF are building up IT systems for post-Brexit GB-EU trade and particularly for RoRo at Dover-Calais which will involve exporters submitting import/export declarations to Chief and the CDS, S&S information to S&S GB and ICS, and collating their SPS documentation - including an EHC filled out by an CSO under the supervision of an OV sent via a BCP - with the importer lodging it on Traces NT, while generating a GMR via GVMS and SI Brexit, and then HGVs getting a KAP, all to avoid the RWCS.

Any the wiser
You're not enhancing this thread  :-DD

It was my intention (as in road-to-hell) to post some useful information here, and perhaps have others post their thoughts, questions, links and advice. :palm:

The situation in the UK is the very definition of CLUSTERFUCK https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/clusterfuck
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Re: BREXIT - what it means for small manufacturers
« Reply #9 on: December 12, 2020, 01:30:52 pm »
Amid RHA and Bifa concerns about the lack of progress, HMRC, Defra, the HO, the Dft, the BPDG and the TTF are building up IT systems for post-Brexit GB-EU trade and particularly for RoRo at Dover-Calais which will involve exporters submitting import/export declarations to Chief and the CDS, S&S information to S&S GB and ICS, and collating their SPS documentation - including an EHC filled out by an CSO under the supervision of an OV sent via a BCP - with the importer lodging it on Traces NT, while generating a GMR via GVMS and SI Brexit, and then HGVs getting a KAP, all to avoid the RWCS.

Any the wiser

 

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Re: BREXIT - what it means for small manufacturers
« Reply #10 on: December 12, 2020, 02:39:48 pm »
The situation in the UK is the very definition of CLUSTERFUCK https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/clusterfuck

And minutes by minutes, its like you Brits are deliberately increasing the tension, instead of trying to dilute it, really don't understand why ?  :-//

Example -> ... British naval forces will be deployed from January 1 to prevent illegal French fishing in our waters

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Re: BREXIT - what it means for small manufacturers
« Reply #11 on: December 12, 2020, 02:55:34 pm »
I heard that fishing is <0.1% of UK GDP. But something like 1-2% of the EU GDP.  We have virtually no fishing fleet here in the UK, most of the UK waters are fished by huge companies out of The Netherlands, France, etc.. so it's a big old bargaining chip for Boris.

Friends of mine involved in marine technology say that they are constantly asked by EU colleagues about what will happen to fishing and the UK - they all seem alot more bothered about it than most UK people. As the fisheries protection chaps only have two boats to patrol the UK's vast waters then obviously the armed forces will be used to try and stop illegal activity, no doubt ratcheted up by The Daily Mail etc.. and then the French farmers will blockade Calais and we'll be forced to eat our own Cheddar, Caerphilly and Lamb.

In time more pragmatic minds will prevail and some brightspark will suggest joining a trading block in Europe?
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Re: BREXIT - what it means for small manufacturers
« Reply #12 on: December 12, 2020, 03:07:02 pm »
Question for the British that attend this forum:

Do you think that, historically speaking, this will be a watershed moment for the UK?

Watershed in the full meaning of the word. A Trafalgar moment.
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« Reply #13 on: December 12, 2020, 03:45:29 pm »
Why do these crazy governments appear everywhere, constantly fighting and pitting people against each other? That they don't live in peace? All these borders, possessions, the army - these are the wild times of the past. After all, it is good to be in a single Union without borders, without customs, with the same money. Probably, European officials have tortured everyone with their mediocrity and uselessness - they are paid money but they do nothing but stupid shows about enemies all around. I know this very well from the structure of the USSR.

Now we have a union of several countries: Belarus, Russia, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, and Uzbekistan = Eurasian Economic Community. We live in one country in past, now we are all independent countries, each has its own currency and its own power, but we have no borders, we share the same laws to a large extent. This is very convenient: I can safely go to Minsk and even live there without fear of ignorance of the law, I can safely sell products in any country as well as at home. There is some tiny shared power, but it is invisible, does not interfere with anyone, does not command anyone, only coordinates various interactions. Yes, and all under the protection of the Russian army. Imagine all the countries in such a Union.

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« Reply #14 on: December 12, 2020, 04:03:35 pm »
I heard that fishing is <0.1% of UK GDP. But something like 1-2% of the EU GDP.  We have virtually no fishing fleet here in the UK, most of the UK waters are fished by huge companies out of The Netherlands, France, etc.. so it's a big old bargaining chip for Boris.

Friends of mine involved in marine technology say that they are constantly asked by EU colleagues about what will happen to fishing and the UK - they all seem alot more bothered about it than most UK people. As the fisheries protection chaps only have two boats to patrol the UK's vast waters then obviously the armed forces will be used to try and stop illegal activity, no doubt ratcheted up by The Daily Mail etc.. and then the French farmers will blockade Calais and we'll be forced to eat our own Cheddar, Caerphilly and Lamb.

In time more pragmatic minds will prevail and some brightspark will suggest joining a trading block in Europe?

Fishing = £762 million

Financial services = £133,000 million.

Of course it's all about the fish and not the financial services market. Agenda much?
 

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Re: BREXIT - what it means for small manufacturers
« Reply #15 on: December 12, 2020, 04:03:49 pm »
United Kingdom (UK) is Great Britain (GB) and North Ireland (NI).
Great Britain (GB) is England, Scotland and Wales.

UK and GB legally it is two different countries?

That's far too simple.

As someone that dislikes yootoob videos, I recommend this short information-dense explanation:

Confused? You will be!
Even the explanation in that video misses some important points. Like the UK government itself struggles with these distinctions. Its only very recently that the British Prime Minister started to consistently sign international agreements as the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, or the Prime Minister of the UK. There are lots of documents into the middle of the 20th century which were signed by the Prime Minister of England. Notably, this might have lead Hitler to think he never agreed not to invade Scotland, Wales, or Northern Ireland, and certainly was OK to take over the Channel Islands, which he did. :)
 

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Re: BREXIT - what it means for small manufacturers
« Reply #16 on: December 12, 2020, 04:05:37 pm »
Question for the British that attend this forum:

Do you think that, historically speaking, this will be a watershed moment for the UK?

Watershed in the full meaning of the word. A Trafalgar moment.
No, probably the exact opposite of Trafalgar.
I think the UK will spend the next X years getting our butts kicked by the EU power mongers. I hope I'm wrong, but think we will have to fight very hard to maintain straightforward access to the EU; somewhere I read that we import more from the EU than we export to the EU so there are some powerful allies in Europe that might help moderate the 'battle'.
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« Reply #17 on: December 12, 2020, 04:11:23 pm »
I heard that fishing is <0.1% of UK GDP. But something like 1-2% of the EU GDP.  We have virtually no fishing fleet here in the UK, most of the UK waters are fished by huge companies out of The Netherlands, France, etc.. so it's a big old bargaining chip for Boris.

Friends of mine involved in marine technology say that they are constantly asked by EU colleagues about what will happen to fishing and the UK - they all seem alot more bothered about it than most UK people. As the fisheries protection chaps only have two boats to patrol the UK's vast waters then obviously the armed forces will be used to try and stop illegal activity, no doubt ratcheted up by The Daily Mail etc.. and then the French farmers will blockade Calais and we'll be forced to eat our own Cheddar, Caerphilly and Lamb.

In time more pragmatic minds will prevail and some brightspark will suggest joining a trading block in Europe?

Fishing = £762 million

Financial services = £133,000 million.

Of course it's all about the fish and not the financial services market. Agenda much?
Very very few give a flying toss about bankers. But take the image of a Cornish fisherman hauling an empty net and you'll find a queue a mile long ready to take up arms.
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Re: BREXIT - what it means for small manufacturers
« Reply #18 on: December 12, 2020, 04:12:58 pm »
Question for the British that attend this forum:

Do you think that, historically speaking, this will be a watershed moment for the UK?

Watershed in the full meaning of the word. A Trafalgar moment.
No, probably the exact opposite of Trafalgar.
I think the UK will spend the next X years getting our butts kicked by the EU power mongers. I hope I'm wrong, but think we will have to fight very hard to maintain straightforward access to the EU; somewhere I read that we import more from the EU than we export to the EU so there are some powerful allies in Europe that might help moderate the 'battle'.
There might be other allies in the EU. EU interests now own so much of the UK's infrastructure, they will probably want to see use of that infrastructure remaining vigorous.
 

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« Reply #19 on: December 12, 2020, 04:15:53 pm »
Cant understand why doris +co are so fixated on fishing,even if we get to own the waters the rights to fish those waters have already been sold,by british fishermen to foreign investors.Then theirs the 50 fishermen nipping over from bruges waving a bit of paper signed by charley 2
 

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« Reply #20 on: December 12, 2020, 04:19:16 pm »
And minutes by minutes, its like you Brits are deliberately increasing the tension, instead of trying to dilute it, really don't understand why ?  :-//

Example -> ... British naval forces will be deployed from January 1 to prevent illegal French fishing in our waters
I suspect it's a desperate power play in the hopes of getting the EU to move before the time runs out. I don't think there are very many options left so making a lot of noise in the hopes the EU will budge is all one can do. It's probably also some window dressing for the folks at home to show a Brexit means independence. Anything to distract from what looks to be a disaster in the making as a few French fishermen aren't a threat to Britain's future.
 

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« Reply #21 on: December 12, 2020, 04:19:41 pm »
Also worth pointing out that there is likely to be different rules for some businesses in Northern Ireland (NI) as they share a border with Ireland (IRL) which is still in the European Union (EU).

I wonder how willing the EU will be to keep the special deal for NI alive in a hard brexit without EUCJ jurisdiction over the UK. They clearly want the level playing field provision to be the EU version of the US commerce clause, which would make the UK's sovereignty a bit of a joke.
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Re: BREXIT - what it means for small manufacturers
« Reply #22 on: December 12, 2020, 04:24:04 pm »
Cant understand why doris +co are so fixated on fishing,even if we get to own the waters the rights to fish those waters have already been sold,by british fishermen to foreign investors.Then theirs the 50 fishermen nipping over from bruges waving a bit of paper signed by charley 2
I had an interesting conversation about that the other day.  My understanding is that many years ago if you had a X metre trawler you were granted a license for Y tonnes of fish, these permissions where essentially the value came from, not the boat.  These permissions where sold by trawler owners to large EU companies who then used them.  In essence these permissions can be rescinded, reassigned etc.. as the Crown/UK gov sees fit - they weren't actually sold by the Crown.
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Re: BREXIT - what it means for small manufacturers
« Reply #23 on: December 12, 2020, 04:30:24 pm »
I suspect it's a desperate power play in the hopes of getting the EU to move before the time runs out. I don't think there are very many options left so making a lot of noise in the hopes the EU will budge is all one can do. It's probably also some window dressing for the folks at home to show a Brexit means independence. Anything to distract from what looks to be a disaster in the making as a few French fishermen aren't a threat to Britain's future.
All well run negotiations end up as a game of chicken near the final deadline. The UK parliament tried to wreck Britain's ability to negotiate by committing them to definitely agreeing on a deal. How can anyone negotiate when they know the other side's hands are tied? I don't think that is because they are traitorous or malicious. Its just that parliament is full of people who have never done a days real work in their lives, and have never had to negotiate anything.
 

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Re: BREXIT - what it means for small manufacturers
« Reply #24 on: December 12, 2020, 04:32:09 pm »
I heard that fishing is <0.1% of UK GDP. But something like 1-2% of the EU GDP.  We have virtually no fishing fleet here in the UK, most of the UK waters are fished by huge companies out of The Netherlands, France, etc.. so it's a big old bargaining chip for Boris.

Friends of mine involved in marine technology say that they are constantly asked by EU colleagues about what will happen to fishing and the UK - they all seem alot more bothered about it than most UK people. As the fisheries protection chaps only have two boats to patrol the UK's vast waters then obviously the armed forces will be used to try and stop illegal activity, no doubt ratcheted up by The Daily Mail etc.. and then the French farmers will blockade Calais and we'll be forced to eat our own Cheddar, Caerphilly and Lamb.

In time more pragmatic minds will prevail and some brightspark will suggest joining a trading block in Europe?

Fishing = £762 million

Financial services = £133,000 million.

Of course it's all about the fish and not the financial services market. Agenda much?
Very very few give a flying toss about bankers. But take the image of a Cornish fisherman hauling an empty net and you'll find a queue a mile long ready to take up arms.

Indeed yes. The funny bit is only a tiny amount of them are actually bankers. It’s more everyone’s assets, investments and debts which people decided to piss around with.

All it takes is one pension or mortgage company to go and I’ll be pissing myself laughing at the self serving karma.
 


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