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BREXIT - what it means for small manufacturers

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Mr. Scram:

--- Quote from: BravoV on December 12, 2020, 02:39:48 pm ---And minutes by minutes, its like you Brits are deliberately increasing the tension, instead of trying to dilute it, really don't understand why ?  :-//

Example -> ... British naval forces will be deployed from January 1 to prevent illegal French fishing in our waters

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I suspect it's a desperate power play in the hopes of getting the EU to move before the time runs out. I don't think there are very many options left so making a lot of noise in the hopes the EU will budge is all one can do. It's probably also some window dressing for the folks at home to show a Brexit means independence. Anything to distract from what looks to be a disaster in the making as a few French fishermen aren't a threat to Britain's future.

Marco:

--- Quote from: fcb on December 11, 2020, 02:02:57 pm ---Also worth pointing out that there is likely to be different rules for some businesses in Northern Ireland (NI) as they share a border with Ireland (IRL) which is still in the European Union (EU).

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I wonder how willing the EU will be to keep the special deal for NI alive in a hard brexit without EUCJ jurisdiction over the UK. They clearly want the level playing field provision to be the EU version of the US commerce clause, which would make the UK's sovereignty a bit of a joke.

fcb:

--- Quote from: themadhippy on December 12, 2020, 04:15:53 pm ---Cant understand why doris +co are so fixated on fishing,even if we get to own the waters the rights to fish those waters have already been sold,by british fishermen to foreign investors.Then theirs the 50 fishermen nipping over from bruges waving a bit of paper signed by charley 2

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I had an interesting conversation about that the other day.  My understanding is that many years ago if you had a X metre trawler you were granted a license for Y tonnes of fish, these permissions where essentially the value came from, not the boat.  These permissions where sold by trawler owners to large EU companies who then used them.  In essence these permissions can be rescinded, reassigned etc.. as the Crown/UK gov sees fit - they weren't actually sold by the Crown.

coppice:

--- Quote from: Mr. Scram on December 12, 2020, 04:19:16 pm ---I suspect it's a desperate power play in the hopes of getting the EU to move before the time runs out. I don't think there are very many options left so making a lot of noise in the hopes the EU will budge is all one can do. It's probably also some window dressing for the folks at home to show a Brexit means independence. Anything to distract from what looks to be a disaster in the making as a few French fishermen aren't a threat to Britain's future.

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All well run negotiations end up as a game of chicken near the final deadline. The UK parliament tried to wreck Britain's ability to negotiate by committing them to definitely agreeing on a deal. How can anyone negotiate when they know the other side's hands are tied? I don't think that is because they are traitorous or malicious. Its just that parliament is full of people who have never done a days real work in their lives, and have never had to negotiate anything.

bd139:

--- Quote from: fcb on December 12, 2020, 04:11:23 pm ---
--- Quote from: bd139 on December 12, 2020, 04:03:35 pm ---
--- Quote from: fcb on December 12, 2020, 02:55:34 pm ---I heard that fishing is <0.1% of UK GDP. But something like 1-2% of the EU GDP.  We have virtually no fishing fleet here in the UK, most of the UK waters are fished by huge companies out of The Netherlands, France, etc.. so it's a big old bargaining chip for Boris.

Friends of mine involved in marine technology say that they are constantly asked by EU colleagues about what will happen to fishing and the UK - they all seem alot more bothered about it than most UK people. As the fisheries protection chaps only have two boats to patrol the UK's vast waters then obviously the armed forces will be used to try and stop illegal activity, no doubt ratcheted up by The Daily Mail etc.. and then the French farmers will blockade Calais and we'll be forced to eat our own Cheddar, Caerphilly and Lamb.

In time more pragmatic minds will prevail and some brightspark will suggest joining a trading block in Europe?

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Fishing = £762 million

Financial services = £133,000 million.

Of course it's all about the fish and not the financial services market. Agenda much?

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Very very few give a flying toss about bankers. But take the image of a Cornish fisherman hauling an empty net and you'll find a queue a mile long ready to take up arms.

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Indeed yes. The funny bit is only a tiny amount of them are actually bankers. It’s more everyone’s assets, investments and debts which people decided to piss around with.

All it takes is one pension or mortgage company to go and I’ll be pissing myself laughing at the self serving karma.

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