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BREXIT - what it means for small manufacturers
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S. Petrukhin:

--- Quote from: bd139 on January 02, 2021, 06:59:24 pm ---Don’t even go there. I had to shoot my .eu domain a while back  :-DD

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Many people use the domain .su (Soviet Union)...  :)
S. Petrukhin:

--- Quote from: SilverSolder on January 02, 2021, 08:47:08 pm ---
--- Quote from: Simon on January 02, 2021, 07:55:24 pm ---The problem is that people are not prepared to accept that they do not know everything and so once their mind is made up that is it. I think we will soon discover how "free" we are and just how much "less" (more) regulation hinderance we will have. And certainly the EU will get the blame when it is in fact just how things actually work. The UK government in a political penis waving exercise are introducing the UKCA mark, this is pointless, it means that anything made and sold in the UK and sold to the EU will have to be certified twice and it means that imports that do not abide by the UKCA mark presumably will not be accepted. So far from reducing regulation it is the British government that is introducing more regulation. What they really meant when they said we could be more competitive was that they wanted to trash all standards relating to worker rights, safety and the environment except they can't now so the UKCA mark will just be a duplication of the CE mark. Of course this is lost to the man on the street that just wants to know who to blame so long as it's not his side.

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The whole concept of democracy has some serious flaws, which are being exploited mercilessly these days.  (It is still probably just about the least bad of the possible political systems, but we probably need for there to be consequences for intentionally attempting to break the system for political advantage.  Also, I don't think politicians lying should fall in the category of "free speech").

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Golden words! Democracy is an opportunity for politicians not to answer for anything: you have freedom - think about yourself. The price of freedom is the constant vigilance. W. Churchill (if I am not mistaken).

You have been eaten up in Europe by bureaucrats and politicians, ambitions or the influence of money bags on them. In the same way as previously, these useless people weakened the Soviet Union. It seems to me that the politicians of Europe are more inventing problems, leading people by the nose just to be in office and show their needed. This is helped by large corporations to get more money out of people.

Maybe my opinion is wrong, but this is an outside view.
nctnico:

--- Quote from: SilverSolder on January 02, 2021, 08:47:08 pm ---
--- Quote from: Simon on January 02, 2021, 07:55:24 pm ---The problem is that people are not prepared to accept that they do not know everything and so once their mind is made up that is it. I think we will soon discover how "free" we are and just how much "less" (more) regulation hinderance we will have. And certainly the EU will get the blame when it is in fact just how things actually work. The UK government in a political penis waving exercise are introducing the UKCA mark, this is pointless, it means that anything made and sold in the UK and sold to the EU will have to be certified twice and it means that imports that do not abide by the UKCA mark presumably will not be accepted. So far from reducing regulation it is the British government that is introducing more regulation. What they really meant when they said we could be more competitive was that they wanted to trash all standards relating to worker rights, safety and the environment except they can't now so the UKCA mark will just be a duplication of the CE mark. Of course this is lost to the man on the street that just wants to know who to blame so long as it's not his side.

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The whole concept of democracy has some serious flaws, which are being exploited mercilessly these days.  (It is still probably just about the least bad of the possible political systems, but we probably need for there to be consequences for intentionally attempting to break the system for political advantage.  Also, I don't think politicians lying should fall in the category of "free speech").

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Yes and no. One of the problems I see is that some 'democratic' systems (like in the US and the UK) are setup to keep the power concentrated to a few people. Democracy works better when there are a multitude of parties and thus views at the helm. IOW: there should not be absolute power resting on a single person or party.
IanJ:

--- Quote from: fcb on January 02, 2021, 08:38:42 pm ---So yesterday as I was deleting all the VAT calculations on my w/s and simplifying pricing to "non-UK” and “UK only" - I felt like I was hit by a huge wave - like a bereavement.

I won’t be rude about BREXITEERS, we lost and that’s democracy – I just can’t figure out how things will be better out of Europe??

Anyhow, back to browsing Leggett Immobilier.

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Well, I am certainly no expert......there, thats it out of the way!

I found myself changing the vat rules in my own online shop on the 31st ahead of new years day.........and for me it was weirdly satisfying as I have always hated the EU. Now, I dont pretend life will be better now, but for me I like the change.....I couldn't stand it any more!, lots of reasons least of all the complicated VAT rules being a LTD company.
Fortune favours the brave as they say, so we'll see what happens going forward.
I'm Scottish and voted for independence, but wanted out the EU........oh dear, thats not on Sturgeons agenda.........we'll see!......just as long as they don't take my soldering iron off me....:)
Ian.
SilverSolder:

--- Quote from: IanJ on January 02, 2021, 11:33:07 pm ---
--- Quote from: fcb on January 02, 2021, 08:38:42 pm ---So yesterday as I was deleting all the VAT calculations on my w/s and simplifying pricing to "non-UK” and “UK only" - I felt like I was hit by a huge wave - like a bereavement.

I won’t be rude about BREXITEERS, we lost and that’s democracy – I just can’t figure out how things will be better out of Europe??

Anyhow, back to browsing Leggett Immobilier.

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Well, I am certainly no expert......there, thats it out of the way!

I found myself changing the vat rules in my own online shop on the 31st ahead of new years day.........and for me it was weirdly satisfying as I have always hated the EU. Now, I dont pretend life will be better now, but for me I like the change.....I couldn't stand it any more!, lots of reasons least of all the complicated VAT rules being a LTD company.
Fortune favours the brave as they say, so we'll see what happens going forward.
I'm Scottish and voted for independence, but wanted out the EU........oh dear, thats not on Sturgeons agenda.........we'll see!......just as long as they don't take my soldering iron off me....:)
Ian.

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This stuff has obviously been done to death for many years now, but - when all is said and done - I think if the EU didn't exist to balance all the needs and wants of the 27 European countries, something very close to it would have to be invented - otherwise, the whole continent would end up with eternal bickering like we see inside the UK now.  I think Continental Europeans are generally far more aware of this than British people.  I also think the more "cosmopolitan" and mobile you are, the more benefit you have from EU citizenship.  If you live in one of the Continental European countries, it is far more natural to hop across the border to the next country for whatever reason - so freedom of movement is a huge plus.


It is what it is.   History doesn't stop here...   will be interesting to see what path Scotland chooses.  Looking at it from the outside, the Scottish government seems considerably less crazy than the Westminster lot, but I'm too far away from it to really say anything sensible about it...

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