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| Mr. Scram:
--- Quote from: coppice on December 12, 2020, 04:30:24 pm ---All well run negotiations end up as a game of chicken near the final deadline. The UK parliament tried to wreck Britain's ability to negotiate by committing them to definitely agreeing on a deal. How can anyone negotiate when they know the other side's hands are tied? I don't think that is because they are traitorous or malicious. Its just that parliament is full of people who have never done a days real work in their lives, and have never had to negotiate anything. --- End quote --- The disparity between what the EU and the UK stand to lose without a deal means playing chicken is a fool's errant. To negotiate you need leverage and the UK had little and stupid games reduced it even further. When threatening French fishermen is what you have left things aren't going your way. :( |
| SilverSolder:
--- Quote from: BravoV on December 12, 2020, 02:39:48 pm --- --- Quote from: fcb on December 12, 2020, 01:26:48 pm ---The situation in the UK is the very definition of CLUSTERFUCK https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/clusterfuck --- End quote --- And minutes by minutes, its like you Brits are deliberately increasing the tension, instead of trying to dilute it, really don't understand why ? :-// Example -> ... British naval forces will be deployed from January 1 to prevent illegal French fishing in our waters --- End quote --- Deploying the navy plays well with a certain demographic in England - the same demographic that is targeted by Murdoch's fine publications. Juncker said it best, right after the referendum: "If you over years, if not decades, tell citizens that something is wrong with the EU, that the EU is too technocratic, too bureaucratic, you cannot be taken by surprise if voters believe you." |
| coppice:
--- Quote from: Mr. Scram on December 12, 2020, 04:37:38 pm --- --- Quote from: coppice on December 12, 2020, 04:30:24 pm ---All well run negotiations end up as a game of chicken near the final deadline. The UK parliament tried to wreck Britain's ability to negotiate by committing them to definitely agreeing on a deal. How can anyone negotiate when they know the other side's hands are tied? I don't think that is because they are traitorous or malicious. Its just that parliament is full of people who have never done a days real work in their lives, and have never had to negotiate anything. --- End quote --- The disparity between what the EU and the UK may lose without a deal means playing chicken is a fool's errant. To negotiate you need leverage and the UK had little and stupid games reduced it even further. When threatening French fishermen is what you have left things aren't going your way. :( --- End quote --- That's the same rhetoric I've heard around every negotiation I've been involved with. The larger party clearly has things to lose if they are bothering to negotiate with the smaller. The number of a sales people with Tourettes I've seen wreck the profitability of a deal with their uncontrollable urge to say "we'll cut the price" is really sad. |
| Marco:
--- Quote from: Mr. Scram on December 12, 2020, 04:37:38 pm ---The disparity between what the EU and the UK stand to lose without a deal means playing chicken is a fool's errant. --- End quote --- In a game of chicken it's not about what you have to lose, but about force of will ... as long as the other party has something to lose and believes you will not budge, then it is rational for him to do so. In a game of chicken the least rational can win, even if he has more to lose. |
| SilverSolder:
--- Quote from: S. Petrukhin on December 12, 2020, 03:45:29 pm ---Why do these crazy governments appear everywhere, constantly fighting and pitting people against each other? That they don't live in peace? All these borders, possessions, the army - these are the wild times of the past. After all, it is good to be in a single Union without borders, without customs, with the same money. Probably, European officials have tortured everyone with their mediocrity and uselessness - they are paid money but they do nothing but stupid shows about enemies all around. I know this very well from the structure of the USSR. Now we have a union of several countries: Belarus, Russia, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, and Uzbekistan = Eurasian Economic Community. We live in one country in past, now we are all independent countries, each has its own currency and its own power, but we have no borders, we share the same laws to a large extent. This is very convenient: I can safely go to Minsk and even live there without fear of ignorance of the law, I can safely sell products in any country as well as at home. There is some tiny shared power, but it is invisible, does not interfere with anyone, does not command anyone, only coordinates various interactions. Yes, and all under the protection of the Russian army. Imagine all the countries in such a Union. --- End quote --- This kind of thing is probably the long term future of all human society on Earth - but there are many people for whom this is a big mental leap and they will resist it and/or feel very uncomfortable with it for many generations still. |
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