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Re: BREXIT - what it means for small manufacturers
« Reply #275 on: January 04, 2021, 02:00:55 pm »
"EU firms refuse UK deliveries over Brexit tax changes"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55530721

I doubt this will be more than a temporary thing for any EU company that does signiifcant UK business as they won't want to lose business. And for smaller businesses, I'm sure we will see reshippers (legit or otherwise) filling in the gap
 
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Re: BREXIT - what it means for small manufacturers
« Reply #277 on: January 04, 2021, 02:24:32 pm »
Its not just company's out of the uk that have stopped selling to the uk
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At Brooks England, we continue to produce each leather saddle in our West Midlands factory in more or less the same manner as we have for over 150 years. However, upon their completion, since some time these saddles are shipped first to our logistics centre in Italy and from there to Cyclists around the world.

Due to this, the ongoing changes in the Brexit situation have made it necessary to temporarily suspend all new orders to the UK at this time.
https://www.brooksengland.com/en_uk/uk-shipping-notice
 

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Re: BREXIT - what it means for small manufacturers
« Reply #278 on: January 04, 2021, 02:34:52 pm »
Its not just company's out of the uk that have stopped selling to the uk
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At Brooks England, we continue to produce each leather saddle in our West Midlands factory in more or less the same manner as we have for over 150 years. However, upon their completion, since some time these saddles are shipped first to our logistics centre in Italy and from there to Cyclists around the world.

Due to this, the ongoing changes in the Brexit situation have made it necessary to temporarily suspend all new orders to the UK at this time.
https://www.brooksengland.com/en_uk/uk-shipping-notice
That's nuts. So a company that trades on it's very Englishness (although looks like it's owned by an Italian firm now) and manufactures in the England, can't sell it's products in England (albeit temporaily).

I struggle to see why many of these companies (that undoubtedly trade with non-EU customers) haven't got a grip on this.
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Re: BREXIT - what it means for small manufacturers
« Reply #279 on: January 04, 2021, 02:39:50 pm »
To a degree yes. But on the spectrum of batshit insane to vaguely ok, that one isn't even visible by Daily Mail readers with a telescope because it's that far closer towards batshit.
If you are going to call Breitbart batshit crazy, what words have you left in reserve for CNN?

I never look at CNN so I can't classify it. I have no opinion.
You should look around more. Things change. Breitbart (and Fox and a few others) used to be off in the weeds when much of the media in the US was only moderately deranged. However, in the last 4 years, with much of the US media screaming "ORANGE MAN BAD" all day and not reporting much actual news, people like Fox and Breitbart have developed their niche as a more balanced source of news.

Saying an article should be disregarded because its on a particular platform is just an ad hominem attack in an age when no source can be trusted even a little bit.
 

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Re: BREXIT - what it means for small manufacturers
« Reply #280 on: January 04, 2021, 02:48:44 pm »
Its not just company's out of the uk that have stopped selling to the uk
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At Brooks England, we continue to produce each leather saddle in our West Midlands factory in more or less the same manner as we have for over 150 years. However, upon their completion, since some time these saddles are shipped first to our logistics centre in Italy and from there to Cyclists around the world.

Due to this, the ongoing changes in the Brexit situation have made it necessary to temporarily suspend all new orders to the UK at this time.
https://www.brooksengland.com/en_uk/uk-shipping-notice
That's nuts. So a company that trades on it's very Englishness (although looks like it's owned by an Italian firm now) and manufactures in the England, can't sell it's products in England (albeit temporaily).

I struggle to see why many of these companies (that undoubtedly trade with non-EU customers) haven't got a grip on this.
Shipping is cheap, and customs barriers manageable, so most companies centralise their logistics. They typically assume the world will forever run smoothly, even though it obviously doesn't. Even the biggest component vendors tend to ship from only 2 or 3 logistics centres around the world. They often move parts from one of their factories to a logistics centre the other side of the world, and then shipping them back to a customer's factory in the same town as their own factory. If we could only have higher shipping costs, or more customs barriers, maybe we could stamp out this insanity. :)
 

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Re: BREXIT - what it means for small manufacturers
« Reply #281 on: January 04, 2021, 03:34:43 pm »
Its not just company's out of the uk that have stopped selling to the uk
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At Brooks England, we continue to produce each leather saddle in our West Midlands factory in more or less the same manner as we have for over 150 years. However, upon their completion, since some time these saddles are shipped first to our logistics centre in Italy and from there to Cyclists around the world.

Due to this, the ongoing changes in the Brexit situation have made it necessary to temporarily suspend all new orders to the UK at this time.
https://www.brooksengland.com/en_uk/uk-shipping-notice
That's nuts. So a company that trades on it's very Englishness (although looks like it's owned by an Italian firm now) and manufactures in the England, can't sell it's products in England (albeit temporaily).

I struggle to see why many of these companies (that undoubtedly trade with non-EU customers) haven't got a grip on this.
Shipping is cheap, and customs barriers manageable, so most companies centralise their logistics. They typically assume the world will forever run smoothly, even though it obviously doesn't. Even the biggest component vendors tend to ship from only 2 or 3 logistics centres around the world. They often move parts from one of their factories to a logistics centre the other side of the world, and then shipping them back to a customer's factory in the same town as their own factory. If we could only have higher shipping costs, or more customs barriers, maybe we could stamp out this insanity. :)
Great. We've discovered one good thing about Brexit: if discourages UK companies from unnecessarily shiping things to Europe and back, it will help to cut CO2 emissions.
 

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Re: BREXIT - what it means for small manufacturers
« Reply #282 on: January 04, 2021, 04:04:37 pm »
"EU firms refuse UK deliveries over Brexit tax changes"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55530721

I doubt this will be more than a temporary thing for any EU company that does signiifcant UK business as they won't want to lose business. And for smaller businesses, I'm sure we will see reshippers (legit or otherwise) filling in the gap
Not necessarily. I found a perfect subcontractor for an assembly step, and I had to look for alternatives because they were in the UK. I am also looking for alternatives for the UK sourced specialty components in our products. Even if it would be just filling out an extra paper, UK companies are already loosing business.
Because why would you choose a company in the UK if someone else can do it here? GBP was already an inconvenience.
 

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Re: BREXIT - what it means for small manufacturers
« Reply #283 on: January 04, 2021, 04:47:13 pm »
https://www.fkgb.co.uk/insights-and-facts/do-foreign-companies-need-to-register-for-uk-vat/

If you want to sell into the UK then YOU HAVE TO REGISTER FOR UK VAT.

Oh boy. This is going to screw-up alot of small traders, and if this is the first you're hearing of this, then it'll take 4-6 weeks (at least knowing HMRC) to do this - and there is a fee apparently. Certainly don't remember .gov.uk shouting about this one. Be fun if the EU set's the local VAT threshold to zero for UK companies wanting to export. |O |O |O

Any examples of countries making you register for VAT/purchase tax before you can sell to them. Bueller? Bueller? Bueller?...

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Re: BREXIT - what it means for small manufacturers
« Reply #284 on: January 04, 2021, 05:36:37 pm »
Yeah that was well known for anyone who did any research for at least 2 years.

This never made it into the press because it wasn't on the agenda.
 

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Re: BREXIT - what it means for small manufacturers
« Reply #285 on: January 04, 2021, 05:54:25 pm »
Any examples of countries making you register for VAT/purchase tax before you can sell to them. Bueller? Bueller? Bueller?...

The entire EU as of July 1st, 2021. We're just copying them and rushing it out early for further foot-shooting. Because, you see, we're a sovereign country and can make our own laws.
 

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Re: BREXIT - what it means for small manufacturers
« Reply #286 on: January 04, 2021, 06:03:52 pm »
Because, you see, we're a sovereign country and can make our own laws.
Now we are sovereign again, can we get the guinea back too? :) guinea pig: someone who fleeces people for an extra five percent when they don't notice the price is in guineas and not pounds.
 

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Re: BREXIT - what it means for small manufacturers
« Reply #287 on: January 04, 2021, 06:05:03 pm »
Yeah that was well known for anyone who did any research for at least 2 years.

This never made it into the press because it wasn't on the agenda.
I was aware that the VAT import threshold in the EU was going to drop to zero on 1st July 2021 - weirdly it didn't cross my mind that we'd implement same and do it on 1st Jan 2021.

This is quite informative: https://www.bishopfleming.co.uk/insights/brexit-guides-b2c-supplies-customers-eu-after-1-january-2021
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Re: BREXIT - what it means for small manufacturers
« Reply #288 on: January 04, 2021, 11:27:44 pm »
The EU also intended to drop the vat deminimis on the 1st Jan , it  delayed this due to COVID

The idea of dropping the deminimis was to “ encourage “ suppliers to charge VAT at source and collect for the destination country. The  idea being that this avoids a customs collection charge and hence suppliers will see the benefit in “ extra judicial” tax collection

Remember the uk essentially transferred all the EU laws into domestic law in one swop,  you now have a little EU all to yourselves
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Re: BREXIT - what it means for small manufacturers
« Reply #289 on: January 07, 2021, 05:51:22 pm »
RULES OF ORIGIN |O

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55576571
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/check-your-goods-meet-the-rules-of-origin

This'll be fun.

Our products (made in the UK from parts from allover the world) undoubtedly meets the ad-valorem ("value added") rules. However we also sell C20/C19 cables with our CPA100 power analysers, some of these are made in China and we don't process these further, so won't meet the ad-valorem rules unless they are supplied as part of the whole package?? Probably? Maybe? Can we sell these as spares? What about existing stock? Who knows?

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« Reply #290 on: January 22, 2021, 12:56:43 pm »
Latest update from our lovely gov.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/employer-bulletin-uk-transition-special-edition/employer-bulletin-uk-transition-special-edition

"You need to complete a simple online declaration when entering or leaving Great Britain if you are carrying goods to sell or use by a business with a value not exceeding £1,500"
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Re: BREXIT - what it means for small manufacturers
« Reply #291 on: January 22, 2021, 01:11:55 pm »
Oh that's going to be fun.
 

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« Reply #292 on: January 22, 2021, 02:18:25 pm »
Latest update from our lovely gov.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/employer-bulletin-uk-transition-special-edition/employer-bulletin-uk-transition-special-edition

"You need to complete a simple online declaration when entering or leaving Great Britain if you are carrying goods to sell...
I think we are OK so far. This is a perfectly normal requirement.

... or use by a business with a value not exceeding £1,500"
That's some funky wording. Most places are OK with you taking some tools with you as you fly around on business. "Use by a business" seems to include tools, samples you are taking to show people, etc., which is kinda silly. Do they really intent that?
 

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Re: BREXIT - what it means for small manufacturers
« Reply #293 on: January 22, 2021, 02:43:37 pm »
The wording is terrible. My corp laptop is £2500 so that'll be fun when I next go to a conference.
 

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Re: BREXIT - what it means for small manufacturers
« Reply #294 on: January 22, 2021, 03:08:37 pm »
The wording is terrible. My corp laptop is £2500 so that'll be fun when I next go to a conference.

Agreed. Wording is a problem.  At least COVID is going to reduce/stop any conferences/tradeshows/foreign travel for a few(!) more months - perhaps better guidance will be available by then.
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Re: BREXIT - what it means for small manufacturers
« Reply #295 on: January 22, 2021, 03:26:24 pm »
The wording is terrible. My corp laptop is £2500 so that'll be fun when I next go to a conference.
Your corp laptop was worth 2500 in the moment of the purchase, today it is 1499.. :)
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Re: BREXIT - what it means for small manufacturers
« Reply #296 on: January 22, 2021, 05:20:07 pm »
RULES OF ORIGIN |O

This'll be fun.

Our products (made in the UK from parts from allover the world) undoubtedly meets the ad-valorem ("value added") rules. However we also sell C20/C19 cables with our CPA100 power analysers, some of these are made in China and we don't process these further, so won't meet the ad-valorem rules unless they are supplied as part of the whole package?? Probably? Maybe? Can we sell these as spares? What about existing stock? Who knows?
My understanding is that you can sell them as usual but you need to properly mark the country of origin as "China" in the customs paperwork. There is 3.3% import customs tariff for such cable assemblies from China. (For shipments of over 150€)

 

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Re: BREXIT - what it means for small manufacturers
« Reply #297 on: January 24, 2021, 02:12:42 pm »
 :palm: :palm: :palm: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55786974  :palm: :palm: :palm:

To further add to the total balls-up that is BREXIT.
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Re: BREXIT - what it means for small manufacturers
« Reply #298 on: January 24, 2021, 02:19:22 pm »
Yeah. It’s kind of an invitation really isn’t it. Come to the sunny uplands. In Germany  :-DD
 
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« Reply #299 on: January 24, 2021, 02:45:27 pm »
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Oh that's going to be fun.
It is,especially when hmrc aint got a clue when you contact them to ask  advice |O
 


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