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SilverSolder:

--- Quote from: coppice on December 12, 2020, 04:47:04 pm ---
--- Quote from: Mr. Scram on December 12, 2020, 04:37:38 pm ---
--- Quote from: coppice on December 12, 2020, 04:30:24 pm ---All well run negotiations end up as a game of chicken near the final deadline. The UK parliament tried to wreck Britain's ability to negotiate by committing them to definitely agreeing on a deal. How can anyone negotiate when they know the other side's hands are tied? I don't think that is because they are traitorous or malicious. Its just that parliament is full of people who have never done a days real work in their lives, and have never had to negotiate anything.

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The disparity between what the EU and the UK may lose without a deal means playing chicken is a fool's errant. To negotiate you need leverage and the UK had little and stupid games reduced it even further. When threatening French fishermen is what you have left things aren't going your way.  :(

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That's the same rhetoric I've heard around every negotiation I've been involved with. The larger party clearly has things to lose if they are bothering to negotiate with the smaller. The number of a sales people with Tourettes I've seen wreck the profitability of a deal with their uncontrollable urge to say "we'll cut the price" is really sad.

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Exactly, and those are precisely the kind of people we don't want in the Single Market to create a race to the bottom.

Mr. Scram:

--- Quote from: Marco on December 12, 2020, 04:49:25 pm ---In a game of chicken it's not about what you have to lose, but about force of will ... as long as the other party has something to lose and believes you will not budge, then it is rational for him to do so.

In a game of chicken the least rational can win, even if he has more to lose.

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Hence the threats adressed at French fishermen. The UK knows at this point the EU is unlikely to budge. The only real incentive the EU seems to have is to show exiting the union doesn't come with special treatment and that's no help.

BravoV:

--- Quote from: Mr. Scram on December 12, 2020, 04:19:16 pm ---
--- Quote from: BravoV on December 12, 2020, 02:39:48 pm ---And minutes by minutes, its like you Brits are deliberately increasing the tension, instead of trying to dilute it, really don't understand why ?  :-//

Example -> ... British naval forces will be deployed from January 1 to prevent illegal French fishing in our waters

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I suspect it's a desperate power play in the hopes of getting the EU to move before the time runs out. I don't think there are very many options left so making a lot of noise in the hopes the EU will budge is all one can do. It's probably also some window dressing for the folks at home to show a Brexit means independence. Anything to distract from what looks to be a disaster in the making as a few French fishermen aren't a threat to Britain's future.

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At last minutes of dealing something, the last thing you want is to show your weakness in form of desperation. This is universal knowledge and you don't need to master art of dealing/bargaining to know that.

Also when dealing/bargaining, you are alone (UK) facing the mobs (EU), at last minute, again, the last thing you want to do is to make a threat or even a gesture of hostility towards one of the big member of the mobs (France) ... c'mon ...  :palm:

PS :
Unless this is the plan to turn all of this into a bad sitcom ... news headlines ... NATO member attacking NATO member .... and Putin will live happily ever after.  :-DD

CJay:

--- Quote from: BravoV on December 12, 2020, 02:39:48 pm ---
--- Quote from: fcb on December 12, 2020, 01:26:48 pm ---The situation in the UK is the very definition of CLUSTERFUCK https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/clusterfuck

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And minutes by minutes, its like you Brits are deliberately increasing the tension, instead of trying to dilute it, really don't understand why ?  :-//

Example -> ... British naval forces will be deployed from January 1 to prevent illegal French fishing in our waters

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It's a load of rubbish, an empty threat that's already being discredited by people in the idiot Johnson's own party:

https://news.sky.com/story/brexit-irresponsible-threat-to-deploy-navy-ships-criticised-amid-standoff-over-uk-eu-trade-deal-12158759

He's just playing to the cheap seats so when it all falls apart tomorrow he can come back home and claim he tried to play it tough and that it was really all his idea to not get a deal but the big bad EU bullied him, that'll make him some sort of hero to the kind of moron who still believes Brexit will be some sort of glorious victory over 'them foreigners'.

S. Petrukhin:
I read about brexit here and I am more and more convinced that the EU was needed first of all so that the Europeans would not fight again.  :)
Guys from England, but who chose Johnson? You didn't participate in this?

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