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BREXIT - what it means for small manufacturers
coppice:
--- Quote from: CJay on December 12, 2020, 06:38:17 pm ---The margin was still small, that's fact, a large turnout just means more people voted, it doesn't give more or less of a mandate.
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This is nonsense. A big margin on a low turnout has more to do with how much one side motivated its partisans to be bothered than what the public thinks. A high turnout means the result is at least based on what a great many people think, even if the margin of victory is small. Some local elections have such a low turnout the winner has more to do with which candidate could motivate their family and friends to be bothered, than any grand notion of the will of the people.
nctnico:
--- Quote from: fcb on December 11, 2020, 01:39:21 pm ---So it looks very much like there will be no deal between the UK and the EU.
Thought I'd start a thread to pragmatically discuss/help/suggest how this will affect small electronic releated manufacturers when it comes to importing/exporting from the UK.
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The biggest question is how things are going to be arranged where it comes to certification. For importing / exporting parts I see no problem except for possible import tarifs.
SilverSolder:
--- Quote from: coppice on December 12, 2020, 06:32:43 pm ---
--- Quote from: Zero999 on December 12, 2020, 05:59:36 pm ---In my opinion, the EU expanded too quickly. They allowed poorer, Eastern European countries to join too quickly. The reason for this is because they wanted to lessen Russia's influence, over Eastern Europe, which has caused trouble in some places, such as Ukraine.
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I think the key problem with the EU is that national governments love their own parochial power too much. They allowed the formation of a democratically elected European Parliament, and quite reasonably gave it very limited initial powers. However, their reluctance to let its power grow steadily has put more and more power in the hands of unelected bodies operating in parallel. So, we are now see the people of the EU are in a position of expanding authoritarian rule.
Personally, I think its irrelevant whether Britain is in or out of the EU. The Euro tying interest rates together between the most successful and least successful parts of Europe is causing such tensions that it is, ironically, only the difficulty of freeing themselves from the Euro that is keep several of its members from joining the UK on an exit route.
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Have you ever talked with people from the Southern European countries? I've never met one that want their Drachmas, Liras, etc., back, but I'm sure they must exist...
CJay:
--- Quote from: coppice on December 12, 2020, 06:49:36 pm ---
--- Quote from: CJay on December 12, 2020, 06:38:17 pm ---The margin was still small, that's fact, a large turnout just means more people voted, it doesn't give more or less of a mandate.
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This is nonsense. A big margin on a low turnout has more to do with how much one side motivated its partisans to be bothered than what the public thinks. A high turnout means the result is at least based on what a great many people think, even if the margin of victory is small. Some local elections have such a low turnout the winner has more to do with which candidate could motivate their family and friends to be bothered, than any grand notion of the will of the people.
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How does a large turnout increase the percentage margin?
Show me the maths and include your workings.
coppice:
--- Quote from: CJay on December 12, 2020, 06:56:11 pm ---
--- Quote from: coppice on December 12, 2020, 06:49:36 pm ---
--- Quote from: CJay on December 12, 2020, 06:38:17 pm ---The margin was still small, that's fact, a large turnout just means more people voted, it doesn't give more or less of a mandate.
--- End quote ---
This is nonsense. A big margin on a low turnout has more to do with how much one side motivated its partisans to be bothered than what the public thinks. A high turnout means the result is at least based on what a great many people think, even if the margin of victory is small. Some local elections have such a low turnout the winner has more to do with which candidate could motivate their family and friends to be bothered, than any grand notion of the will of the people.
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How does a large turnout increase the percentage margin?
Show me the maths and include your workings.
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The issue I responded to was "more or less of a mandate", not margins. Getting 99% of the votes of a handful of people does NOT give you a mandate. A low turnout usually shows all the parties are treated with disdain, and the public thinks none of them are worth voting for. I think there is great merit in compulsory voting with an abstain box. I would actually turn out for every election with enthusiasm to tick an abstain box.
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