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BREXIT - what it means for small manufacturers
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bd139:
There is a perfectly good abstain button. All you have to do is tick all of them.

As for the cause and mandate it doesn’t matter if the information provided to the population was lies which it was. In fact I worked for one of the companies employed to see how effective the lies were and which ones to keep lying about. This is something I regret.
CJay:

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--- Quote from: CJay on December 12, 2020, 06:38:17 pm ---The margin was still small, that's fact, a large turnout just means more people voted, it doesn't give more or less of a mandate.

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This is nonsense. A big margin on a low turnout has more to do with how much one side motivated its partisans to be bothered than what the public thinks. A high turnout means the result is at least based on what a great many people think, even if the margin of victory is small. Some local elections have such a low turnout the winner has more to do with which candidate could motivate their family and friends to be bothered, than any grand notion of the will of the people.

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How does a large turnout increase the percentage margin?

Show me the maths and include your workings.

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The issue I responded to was "more or less of a mandate", not margins. Getting 99% of the votes of a handful of people does NOT give you a mandate. A low turnout usually shows all the parties are treated with disdain, and the public thinks none of them are worth voting for. I think there is great merit in compulsory voting with an abstain box. I would actually turn out for every election with enthusiasm to tick an abstain box.

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You're confusing mandate with approval.

A mandate is a binary thing, one of two discrete values, given or denied, politically undesirable and dangerous to ignore but still, only binary.

The number of people who voted doesn't give it more or less authority, it just proves people were motivated and it was still a small margin.
Marco:

--- Quote from: CJay on December 12, 2020, 06:30:01 pm ---their negotiating position hasn't really changed

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They've always been coy about what they envisioned the enforcement strategy for level playing field to be.
Zero999:

--- Quote from: CJay on December 12, 2020, 06:34:47 pm ---
--- Quote from: Zero999 on December 12, 2020, 05:59:36 pm ---Many countries sharing the the same rules and currency brings a range of benefits, regarding trade and freedom, but it also has downsides too. Getting the EU to change a certain rule is challenging, because it has to be agreed between all member states, which can result in unnecessary delays. A classic example is the COVID-19 vaccine, which was swiftly approved by the UK, but will take awhile for the EU to agree on it.

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EU law allows individual member states to give emergency approval for a drug which is precisely how we managed to approve the COVID vaccine as we're still in the transition period and subject to the very EU laws our government have said would prevent us approving the vaccine's use.

It's yet more lies and bluster from our own government.

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That's not true at all. If it were, then I'm sure many other EU member states would have approved the vaccine by now.

Yes, the UK has to follow the EU laws, as it's still in the transition period. The reason why the UK has approved the vaccine is because it has an opt-out, in that area of law. It's true this would have been the case, irrespective of Brexit, but does not negate my point that shared laws can often be a hindrance, as well as an advantage. It illustrates quite nicely one of the downsides of states being bound too tightly together.
themadhippy:
   winners % of vote   % turnout
1997   43.2                    71.4
2001   40.7                    59.4
2005   35.2                    61.4
2010   36.1                    65.1
2015   36.8                    66.1
2017   42.3                    68.7
2019   43.6                    67.3
brexit   51.9                    72.2if any body want to do some sums heres the important  bits ,by my sums a larger percentage of the electorate voted yes than they have for any prime minister back as far as 1992 at least


Now lets look on the bright side,if were out of the EU does that mean no more eurovision song contest?
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