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BREXIT - what it means for small manufacturers

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dave j:

--- Quote from: coppice on December 12, 2020, 08:14:27 pm ---That's just a spoiled ballot. I'm not bothering to create those. I want elections to produce a proper count of people who say "none of the above". I think a high count there would encourage a shift in the political landscape.

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This. Lumping protest ballots in with those not filled in properly just allows politicians to dismiss them. An explicit 'non of the above' option would make it explicit and be harder to ignore.

dave j:

--- Quote from: SilverSolder on December 12, 2020, 09:02:58 pm ---We wouldn't have ABBA without it!  :D

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Whilst I choose to not watch it, I don't object to it as a concept as some people seem to do.

CJay:

--- Quote from: Zero999 on December 12, 2020, 09:01:33 pm ---Alright, I stand corrected. It just goes to show one can't rely on everything the read on the Internet and watch on YouTube.  :palm:

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Or coming out of the mouths of politicians, in newspapers etc.

This is part of the problem with Brexit, so many damn lies which are easy to disprove, nobody here is below average intelligence yet I still see people repeating the same, tired old debunked lies about the EU and the UK, they get into the public consciousness and become unassailable myth.

There was a really good website setup to debunk the myths and lies in the UK media, it's archived and difficult to find now but pretty much all the 'EU bad' stories are on there.

http://blogs.ec.europa.eu/ECintheUK/euromyths-a-z-index

*edit* better link here:
https://wayback.archive-it.org/11980/20191016145012/https://blogs.ec.europa.eu/ECintheUK/


--- Quote from: Zero999 on December 12, 2020, 09:01:33 pm ---I still think the UK is doing the right thing. The EU seems to be discouraging member states to follow the UK in granting emergency approval, which I think is wrong. I can understand some countries will be more cautious about approving the vaccine, than others, but let them make up their own minds!

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Definitely doing the right thing approving the vaccine, yes.

Zero999:

--- Quote from: CJay on December 12, 2020, 09:12:07 pm ---
--- Quote from: Zero999 on December 12, 2020, 09:01:33 pm ---Alright, I stand corrected. It just goes to show one can't rely on everything the read on the Internet and watch on YouTube.  :palm:

--- End quote ---
Or coming out of the mouths of politicians, in newspapers etc.

This is part of the problem with Brexit, so many damn lies which are easy to disprove, nobody here is below average intelligence yet I still see people repeating the same, tired old debunked lies about the EU and the UK, they get into the public consciousness and become unassailable myth.

There was a really good website setup to debunk the myths and lies in the UK media, it's archived and difficult to find now but pretty much all the 'EU bad' stories are on there.

http://blogs.ec.europa.eu/ECintheUK/euromyths-a-z-index

*edit* better link here:
https://wayback.archive-it.org/11980/20191016145012/https://blogs.ec.europa.eu/ECintheUK/


--- Quote from: Zero999 on December 12, 2020, 09:01:33 pm ---I still think the UK is doing the right thing. The EU seems to be discouraging member states to follow the UK in granting emergency approval, which I think is wrong. I can understand some countries will be more cautious about approving the vaccine, than others, but let them make up their own minds!

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Definitely doing the right thing approving the vaccine, yes.

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I generally don't believe anything politicians say. I got the thing about the vaccine from a COVID-19 video by a medical YouTuber, who generally isn't political. They obviously got it from elsewhere.

That site you've posted is good, but the other bad things such as the tampon tax and the EU commission wasting loads of money relocating are obviously true.

CJay:

--- Quote from: Zero999 on December 12, 2020, 10:18:52 pm ---That site you've posted is good, but the other bad things such as the tampon tax and the EU commission wasting loads of money relocating are obviously true.

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I know little to nothing about tampon tax but dig into the 'relocating' costs and work out how it relates to the cost of running other parliaments, it's enlightening.

A little perspective is useful, especially when it comes to money measured in big numbers.

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