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Re: BREXIT - what it means for small manufacturers
« Reply #75 on: December 13, 2020, 04:45:18 pm »
The brexit is the worst, since the music of modern talking.
I hope little britain will be back soon.
Meanwhile there is time to learn driving the car on the right side and how to cook.
The rest is perfect....  ;D
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Re: BREXIT - what it means for small manufacturers
« Reply #76 on: December 14, 2020, 04:46:58 am »
BREXIT caused a fair amount of documentation work for us due to changing approval agency offices. We had to change from England* to offices in Ireland and Italy. I haven't heard much of anything about UKIP or whatever it is for additional approval work. I don't know if we are skipping it because England is too small a market to deal with, the customers will just go with EU approvals, or some other solution. Maybe we will go for that also eventually. My conclusion is that some amount of engineering work has now permanently moved from England to the EU, and even if England joins back in that work will stay where it is.

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« Reply #77 on: December 14, 2020, 07:15:02 am »
My conclusion is that some amount of engineering work has now permanently moved from England to the EU, and even if England joins back in that work will stay where it is.

* Short for whatever the UK is supposed to be.

Sadly this seems to be the case, hard won business presences have left the UK or just closed because of Brexit and I don't think they'll come back.

There have been a few significant 'wins' which are crowed about by the Brexiters but when you dig into the details it's usually because the plans predated Brexit and it would have been nonsensical to do outside the UK anyway, business 'wins' tend to be 'in spite of' rather than 'because of' Brexit.

It's going to be a hard few decades and I think if/when we rejoin the EU we'll have to fully commit, Euro (which I think is idiotic unless taxation etc. are all unified) and all.
 

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Re: BREXIT - what it means for small manufacturers
« Reply #78 on: December 14, 2020, 08:39:20 am »
My conclusion is that some amount of engineering work has now permanently moved from England to the EU, and even if England joins back in that work will stay where it is.

* Short for whatever the UK is supposed to be.

Sadly this seems to be the case, hard won business presences have left the UK or just closed because of Brexit and I don't think they'll come back.

There have been a few significant 'wins' which are crowed about by the Brexiters but when you dig into the details it's usually because the plans predated Brexit and it would have been nonsensical to do outside the UK anyway, business 'wins' tend to be 'in spite of' rather than 'because of' Brexit.

It's going to be a hard few decades and I think if/when we rejoin the EU we'll have to fully commit, Euro (which I think is idiotic unless taxation etc. are all unified) and all.
I agree Brexit is bad for business, but what's to say there still will be an EU, in a few decades? There are anti-EU movements in other countries too.
 

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Re: BREXIT - what it means for small manufacturers
« Reply #79 on: December 14, 2020, 09:31:01 am »
I agree Brexit is bad for business, but what's to say there still will be an EU, in a few decades? There are anti-EU movements in other countries too.

So you poked your eyes out when you were in your teens because you might go blind in later life?

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Re: BREXIT - what it means for small manufacturers
« Reply #80 on: December 14, 2020, 09:46:12 am »
I agree Brexit is bad for business, but what's to say there still will be an EU, in a few decades? There are anti-EU movements in other countries too.

So you poked your eyes out when you were in your teens because you might go blind in later life?

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« Reply #81 on: December 14, 2020, 09:58:40 am »
I agree Brexit is bad for business, but what's to say there still will be an EU, in a few decades? There are anti-EU movements in other countries too.

So you poked your eyes out when you were in your teens because you might go blind in later life?

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What a silly anology. :palm:

For one, at no point have I said that Brexit is good. I voted to remain and still think it's the best thing to do, but at the moment it's impossible to do that.

Secondly, we don't know what will happen. Brexit, might not be as bad, as I thought.
 

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Re: BREXIT - what it means for small manufacturers
« Reply #82 on: December 14, 2020, 10:24:28 am »
Self harming because something might happen in the future is a silly analogy for Brexiting and damaging our economy because the EU might not exist in the future?

Hmm.

From the current events being reported in the news and having watched the past 4 years of this I'd have to agree that it's probably not going to be as bad as I thought, it's probably going to be worse.
 
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Re: BREXIT - what it means for small manufacturers
« Reply #83 on: December 14, 2020, 11:08:17 am »
I too agree that BREXIT won't be as bad as people think (also voted remain), but that's probably an avergage thing.  In the event of a no-deal final exit, there will be extreme cases of businesses and some industries decimated by WTO terms (immediate example is lamb exports being subject to 47% tariff).

The EU commision be will be desperate to make sure BREXIT is seen as painful as possible to depower other ??EXIT movements in the EU. So my guess is that this drama will go on for years and years.

According to this report the UK has a trade deficit with the EU of some £79 billion, and if you strip out finincial services it's £97 billion. So there is substantial risk to the EU as well, although that is spread across the EU, some members (Germany and France) could certainly see a sizable impact.
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Re: BREXIT - what it means for small manufacturers
« Reply #84 on: December 14, 2020, 11:15:04 am »
Self harming because something might happen in the future is a silly analogy for Brexiting and damaging our economy because the EU might not exist in the future?

Hmm.

From the current events being reported in the news and having watched the past 4 years of this I'd have to agree that it's probably not going to be as bad as I thought, it's probably going to be worse.

Yes, UK is going to die from Starvation and the great EU is going to be the best thing ever.

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Re: BREXIT - what it means for small manufacturers
« Reply #85 on: December 14, 2020, 11:18:45 am »
We're only 50% self sufficient on the food front. We will be starving by August. A lot of us are already starving thanks to the massive poverty in some parts of the country.

This was just quite frankly a fucking stupid idea from end to end.

The EU is not the best thing ever. It's just less bad than the alternatives. But you don't go playing chess by shitting on the board and claiming victory, you play it one piece at a time.
 
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« Reply #86 on: December 14, 2020, 12:28:30 pm »
I have a had a lifetime experience from outside Eu and dealing with them.
Sorry, but I don't take such doomsday conspiracies too seriously.

You can be happy of the useless baggage you got rid off and with a little bit of good luck the EU can get rid of its own and become what it was intended to be in the beginning.
Honestly to me this exemplifies everything that is wrong with the EU to begin with, a bunch of Bureaucrats who think they are too big to fail.
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« Reply #87 on: December 14, 2020, 03:05:15 pm »
I have a had a lifetime experience from outside Eu and dealing with them.
Sorry, but I don't take such doomsday conspiracies too seriously.

You can be happy of the useless baggage you got rid off and with a little bit of good luck the EU can get rid of its own and become what it was intended to be in the beginning.
Honestly to me this exemplifies everything that is wrong with the EU to begin with, a bunch of Bureaucrats who think they are too big to fail.

Switzerland has so many agreements in place with the EU that it is as close to being an EU member as it is possible to get, while still being able to claim they are not...   at the cost of massively increased bureaucracy.

I'm not understanding the point you are trying to make?

 

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Re: BREXIT - what it means for small manufacturers
« Reply #88 on: December 14, 2020, 03:44:42 pm »
The brexit is the worst, since the music of modern talking.
I hope little britain will be back soon.
Meanwhile there is time to learn driving the car on the right side and how to cook.
The rest is perfect....  ;D

Yeah right. UK restaurants with 1 or more Michelin stars - 156, Austrian restaurants with 1 or more Michelin stars - 19. Looks like you boys need to come to the UK for some cooking lessons.  :)
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Re: BREXIT - what it means for small manufacturers
« Reply #89 on: December 14, 2020, 03:49:33 pm »
I agree Brexit is bad for business, but what's to say there still will be an EU, in a few decades? There are anti-EU movements in other countries too.
There seem to be anti-EU movements because people live in their EU bubble and have short enough memories to forget how Europe was before. Apparently people get complacent without a thorn in their side to make them remember. Bloody humans eh?
 
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Re: BREXIT - what it means for small manufacturers
« Reply #90 on: December 14, 2020, 04:25:11 pm »
I have a had a lifetime experience from outside Eu and dealing with them.
Sorry, but I don't take such doomsday conspiracies too seriously.

You can be happy of the useless baggage you got rid off and with a little bit of good luck the EU can get rid of its own and become what it was intended to be in the beginning.
Honestly to me this exemplifies everything that is wrong with the EU to begin with, a bunch of Bureaucrats who think they are too big to fail.

Switzerland has so many agreements in place with the EU that it is as close to being an EU member as it is possible to get, while still being able to claim they are not...   at the cost of massively increased bureaucracy.

I'm not understanding the point you are trying to make?

Switzerland has so many agreements in place with the EU
Yes

that it is as close to being an EU member as it is possible to get
If by being almost an EU Member you mean being bullied into accepting policies every X Years which more often than not violate promises made by the EU towards Switzerland so to get us to sign them in the first place, sure.

at the cost of massively increased bureaucracy.
At least I know that my tax, unlike the average EU Citizen closely to 50% Income Tax + 17% something tax on products, does not go to some fat suit in Brussels to implement laws which fuck me over on a daily basis while sipping champagne and going to brothels.

BTW, Yes, I remember times before the EU, and Yes I also like some things of the EU - like Visa free travel and the such, but at some point the line has to be drawn on what amount of power you want to give to such an out of touch Institution. To me it has gone out of Hand since the Euro, what a mess that did to Southern Europe.
I think the only people in a bubble are the people delusional to think centralization is the solution.

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Re: BREXIT - what it means for small manufacturers
« Reply #91 on: December 14, 2020, 04:29:50 pm »
Just think how much better off Switzerland would be if it had fish and a Navy.  :popcorn:
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« Reply #92 on: December 14, 2020, 04:47:33 pm »
Just think how much better off Switzerland would be if it had fish and a Navy.  :popcorn:

You would be surprised at the amount of ships going under the Swiss flag on International Sea.
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Re: BREXIT - what it means for small manufacturers
« Reply #93 on: December 14, 2020, 05:05:28 pm »
I agree Brexit is bad for business, but what's to say there still will be an EU, in a few decades? There are anti-EU movements in other countries too.
There seem to be anti-EU movements because people live in their EU bubble and have short enough memories to forget how Europe was before. Apparently people get complacent without a thorn in their side to make them remember. Bloody humans eh?

Need another war just to remind people how fragile shit is...

That's how it usually goes!
 
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Re: BREXIT - what it means for small manufacturers
« Reply #94 on: December 14, 2020, 05:16:14 pm »
[... my taxes]  does not go to some fat suit in Brussels to implement laws which fuck me over on a daily basis while sipping champagne and going to brothels.  [...]

 

Is Switzerland a religious/ Catholic country or something?  Certainly large parts of Europe are pretty relaxed about those kinds of things - and while politicians are busy with that, they are not doing damage elsewhere!  :D


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BTW, Yes, I remember times before the EU, and Yes I also like some things of the EU - like Visa free travel and the such, but at some point the line has to be drawn on what amount of power you want to give to such an out of touch Institution. To me it has gone out of Hand since the Euro, what a mess that did to Southern Europe.
I think the only people in a bubble are the people delusional to think centralization is the solution.

I agree, there has to be a balance between central and local power - it is a very difficult balance to strike, and there is probably no stationary solution to it.
 

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Re: BREXIT - what it means for small manufacturers
« Reply #95 on: December 14, 2020, 05:38:08 pm »
Self harming because something might happen in the future is a silly analogy for Brexiting and damaging our economy because the EU might not exist in the future?

Hmm.
You can dissagree with others as much as you like, but as soon as you stop being objective, you become an extremist. Those who voted to leave, believe it's not self-harming and is in the nation's best interests so your analogy is nonsensical, even if you're right, that it will harm the UK.

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From the current events being reported in the news and having watched the past 4 years of this I'd have to agree that it's probably not going to be as bad as I thought, it's probably going to be worse.
The main stream media are biased. A classic example is how they how the reported on protests by the English Defence League vs the BLM. The EDL protests were seen as violent and unruly, wilst the BLM peaceful. The truth is that that the EDL and BLM are both extremist organisations and neither protest was peaceful, but BLM committed more public order offences and acts of vandalism. BLM got away with more because they have a nice sounding name, which no sane person can possibly dispute, but has little to do with their goals and is left-wing, which matches the idealogy of the main stream media nicely.

Brexit won't be good, but I take what the main stream media says with a huge pinch of salt.
 

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Re: BREXIT - what it means for small manufacturers
« Reply #96 on: December 14, 2020, 05:38:59 pm »
[... my taxes]  does not go to some fat suit in Brussels to implement laws which fuck me over on a daily basis while sipping champagne and going to brothels.  [...]

 

Is Switzerland a religious/ Catholic country or something?  Certainly large parts of Europe are pretty relaxed about those kinds of things - and while politicians are busy with that, they are not doing damage elsewhere!  :D

The Swiss hate everyone and everything from experience :-DD

Note: half my family is Swiss and they'll quite happily say the same things about their own family members in the next Canton as well.
 
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Re: BREXIT - what it means for small manufacturers
« Reply #97 on: December 14, 2020, 06:01:52 pm »
I agree, there has to be a balance between central and local power - it is a very difficult balance to strike, and there is probably no stationary solution to it.

The bureaucrats seem to think there's a stationery solution.

I'll get my coat...  :)
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Re: BREXIT - what it means for small manufacturers
« Reply #98 on: December 14, 2020, 06:10:20 pm »
Note: half my family is Swiss and they'll quite happily say the same things about their own family members in the next Canton as well.
Canton? We call it GuangZhou these days. We have family there.
 
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« Reply #99 on: December 14, 2020, 06:13:00 pm »
Note: half my family is Swiss and they'll quite happily say the same things about their own family members in the next Canton as well.
Canton? We call it GuangZhou these days. We have family there.

Shall I get your coat while I'm getting mine?
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