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Can I ask a question about ... our Universe?
« on: September 21, 2022, 07:02:25 am »
As I get older and older, I keep asking myself question about our universe. Sorry.

why are there 8 planets in our solar system? why not 10, 25, 6?

where were things before the big bang? where are we going? and why are we going?

the universe is dark dark dark. Isn't that soooo scary?

If God created us, where did he get the time to create soooooo many things and sooooooo many creatures? He even created cats and tigers to differentiate themselves....

and most importantly, we humans' lives are very hard in this universe. What's the point/purpose of lives?
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Re: Can I ask a question about ... our Universe?
« Reply #1 on: September 21, 2022, 07:06:12 am »
What's the point/purpose of lives?

Yep that is the big question, that no one can provide a conclusive answer to.

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Re: Can I ask a question about ... our Universe?
« Reply #2 on: September 21, 2022, 07:29:41 am »
What's the point/purpose of lives?
I don't think that there's an inherit purpose to existence. That doesn't mean that you can't find one for yourself and make of it what you want, bonus points for improving the lives of others in the process.

Might be interesting for you:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBRqu0YOH14&ab_channel=Kurzgesagt%E2%80%93InaNutshell
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Re: Can I ask a question about ... our Universe?
« Reply #3 on: September 21, 2022, 02:45:09 pm »
Some star systems probably do have six planets.  Twenty-five is probably unlikely, there would be collisions merging many of them.  I fail to see how the number of planets has any significance worth pondering.

While the universe has no purpose, your life can have purpose.  Eventually you will die and cease to exist.  Just as you didn't exist before the sperm and egg got together.  It's up to you what you do with your life.  Hopefully you learn this sooner rather than later.

Sorry, there is no god.  Grow up and accept reality not fairy tales.
 
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Re: Can I ask a question about ... our Universe?
« Reply #4 on: September 21, 2022, 02:53:55 pm »
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And you may find yourself in another part of the world

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Re: Can I ask a question about ... our Universe?
« Reply #5 on: September 21, 2022, 03:02:24 pm »
Sorry, there is no god.  Grow up and accept reality not fairy tales.

Wow that is stirring up a potential pot of trouble.  :-DD

But that is my take on things too.

We come and we go, what counts is what we do in between. Why it is that we come and go, nobody knows, but evolution for me as to how it came to be is a good theory. Where the universe is going to and where it is going to end, why bother thinking about it. It is all on a very large time scale that it most likely won't happen before the human race ceases to exist.

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Re: Can I ask a question about ... our Universe?
« Reply #6 on: September 21, 2022, 03:31:40 pm »
Sorry, there is no god.  Grow up and accept reality not fairy tales.

Wow that is stirring up a potential pot of trouble.  :-DD

But that is my take on things too.

We come and we go, what counts is what we do in between. Why it is that we come and go, nobody knows, but evolution for me as to how it came to be is a good theory. Where the universe is going to and where it is going to end, why bother thinking about it. It is all on a very large time scale that it most likely won't happen before the human race ceases to exist.

Talking facts and reality shouldn't be a cause for trouble.  Nobody has the right to expect others to validate their fantasy.

I agree about the scale of things.  Realizing that the universe may in fact be random* - and is definitely pointless - could be depressing, but one has to realize that we don't live out our lives on that scale.  Each of us could very easily have not existed at all.  So we do, in a way, have a gift...though not from some old bearded egomaniac.

* I suspect that our universe (and all other universes) may not be random, that there is an evolution of universes.  Seems reasonable to me that the kinetic energy from the initial forming of a black hole in one universe could be the cause of the Big Bang of an offspring universe.  With some properties like the physical constants being passed through.  But the fundamental root of the universe chain (or this universe if that is actually the case) would have to be random.  Anything that isn't random would require an explanation.  True nothingness isn't a blank, black void...since that would be a highly ordered state.  True nothingness would have to some kind of random chaos.  And patterns do emerge from randomness.
 

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Re: Can I ask a question about ... our Universe?
« Reply #7 on: September 21, 2022, 03:38:18 pm »
http://www.online-literature.com/wellshg/warworlds/1/

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BOOK ONE


THE COMING OF THE MARTIANS

CHAPTER ONE


THE EVE OF THE WAR

No one would have believed in the last years of the nineteenth century that this world was being watched keenly and closely by intelligences greater than man's and yet as mortal as his own; that as men busied themselves about their various concerns they were scrutinised and studied, perhaps almost as narrowly as a man with a microscope might scrutinise the transient creatures that swarm and multiply in a drop of water.

With infinite complacency men went to and fro over this globe about their little affairs, serene in their assurance of their empire over matter. It is possible that the infusoria under the microscope do the same. No one gave a thought to the older worlds of space as sources of human danger, or thought of them only to dismiss the idea of life upon them as impossible or improbable. It is curious to recall some of the mental habits of those departed days.

At most terrestrial men fancied there might be other men upon Mars, perhaps inferior to themselves and ready to welcome a missionary enterprise. Yet across the gulf of space, minds that are to our minds as ours are to those of the beasts that perish, intellects vast and cool and unsympathetic, regarded this earth with envious eyes, and slowly and surely drew their plans against us. And early in the twentieth century came the great disillusionment.
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Re: Can I ask a question about ... our Universe?
« Reply #8 on: September 21, 2022, 03:59:55 pm »
though not from some old bearded egomaniac.

At the risk of reprisals, I like to think more in terms of a psychopath.

You know, if it is all according to some predetermined plan, there is some real big psychopathic shit in that plan.

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Re: Can I ask a question about ... our Universe?
« Reply #9 on: September 21, 2022, 04:13:40 pm »
Take 1 tab of good acid,
stick this  on repeat  https://youtu.be/iNQpQzYS1qI
And all your questions will be answered
 

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Re: Can I ask a question about ... our Universe?
« Reply #10 on: September 21, 2022, 04:25:10 pm »
If I remember correctly there was an episode of Dr. Who where the doc stated the purpose of life is to keep meat fresh...
 

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Re: Can I ask a question about ... our Universe?
« Reply #11 on: September 21, 2022, 04:48:59 pm »
Since universe seems to be expanding without a force and distances are growing from nothingness, it's possible that our measurements are actually shrinking all the time.
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Re: Can I ask a question about ... our Universe?
« Reply #12 on: September 21, 2022, 05:10:15 pm »
The purpose of life is in self-reproduction. No reproduction- no life.
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Re: Can I ask a question about ... our Universe?
« Reply #13 on: September 21, 2022, 05:17:08 pm »
Since universe seems to be expanding without a force and distances are growing from nothingness, it's possible that our measurements are actually shrinking all the time.
No. Hubble expansion happens in intergalactic space. On smaller scale there is no expansion. Our galaxy is not expanding, neither does the Earth, nor do our measuring equipment calibrated against standard.

The standard itself is defined in terms light speed and time standard (1 meter is the distance light travels in 1/299,792,458th of a second), both invariant to the Hubble expansion.
 

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Re: Can I ask a question about ... our Universe?
« Reply #14 on: September 21, 2022, 06:09:23 pm »
The purpose of life is in self-reproduction. No reproduction- no life.

That is true, but still does not answers the question why life came to be. If it is only for reasons of reproduction why is there then death?

You see, there will always be questions onto questions in this matter. No conclusive answer as to why.

Bit the same as to what came first, the chicken or the egg.

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Re: Can I ask a question about ... our Universe?
« Reply #15 on: September 21, 2022, 07:02:59 pm »
That is true, but still does not answers the question why life came to be.
Scientific answer would be: because conditions allowed intelligent carbon-based life to appear and survive on Earth.

If your question is why such conditions appeared on Earth, and not, let say, on Mercury, the answer would be the anthropic principle.

If the question is why carbon-based life is even possible in the Universe, or why electrons and quarks exist in our Universe, or why the Universe exist - the answer is beyond science.

If it is only for reasons of reproduction why is there then death?
Because “everybody dies… sooner or later”:

https://youtu.be/ypBkfosrdPw
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Re: Can I ask a question about ... our Universe?
« Reply #16 on: September 21, 2022, 07:25:35 pm »
Because “everybody dies… sooner or later”:

You are kidding, does everybody die.  :palm: (Sorry could not resist)

I'm no idiot and know about history, evolution theory, bits of space stuff, etc. That is also why the first response to the original poster's question was my statement "Yep that is the big question, that no one can provide a conclusive answer to."

We know a lot about how life on earth came to be, and we also think we know why it did not happen on other planets in our solar system. (It is still the question if it did not happen) But with all that knowledge there is still no explanation as to why it did happen. And what the reason behind it al is, if there is any.

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Re: Can I ask a question about ... our Universe?
« Reply #17 on: September 21, 2022, 08:19:35 pm »
Are you sure this is a technical question?
 
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Re: Can I ask a question about ... our Universe?
« Reply #18 on: September 21, 2022, 08:51:33 pm »
The purpose of life is in self-reproduction. No reproduction- no life.

I can't self-reproduce.  Neither can you. :)

No hydrogen...no life.  So perhaps the purpose is to be hydrogen.  Not so easy to simplify or assign a meaning afterall, eh?
 

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Re: Can I ask a question about ... our Universe?
« Reply #19 on: September 22, 2022, 05:26:23 am »
Are you sure this is a technical question?

Just like lots of other threads in this section not really no. Neither is it answerable. But interesting to ponder upon :)

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Re: Can I ask a question about ... our Universe?
« Reply #20 on: September 22, 2022, 05:27:40 am »
The purpose of life is in self-reproduction. No reproduction- no life.

I can't self-reproduce.  Neither can you. :)

No hydrogen...no life.  So perhaps the purpose is to be hydrogen.  Not so easy to simplify or assign a meaning afterall, eh?

No humans can't, but there are organisms that can.

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Re: Can I ask a question about ... our Universe?
« Reply #21 on: September 22, 2022, 05:42:58 am »
The human mind however developed, will not be able to understand the beginning or end of the universe!
 

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Re: Can I ask a question about ... our Universe?
« Reply #22 on: September 22, 2022, 05:53:19 am »
Talking facts and reality shouldn't be a cause for trouble.  Nobody has the right to expect others to validate their fantasy.
The pronoun obsessed probably have a different opinion on that.  :palm:
 

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Re: Can I ask a question about ... our Universe?
« Reply #23 on: September 22, 2022, 06:19:26 am »
though not from some old bearded egomaniac.

At the risk of reprisals, I like to think more in terms of a psychopath.

You know, if it is all according to some predetermined plan, there is some real big psychopathic shit in that plan.
Some of the major religions teach that everything is predetermined and there is nothing you can do about it. If that is actually true and there is a creator then given the course of human history he would have some serious questions to answer. Those same religions, while claiming to represent him, have been involved up to their necks in politics and wars since they began. I have read the Bible cover to cover several times and quite a bit of it flatly contradicts what these religions teach. Which is why they have in the past fought tooth and nail to stop people reading it and nowadays do their best to discredit or misrepresent it. Many people swallow the ridiculous things that these religions teach and consequently they get the idea that an "old bearded egomaniac" or "psychopath" is in control.
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Re: Can I ask a question about ... our Universe?
« Reply #24 on: September 22, 2022, 06:22:54 am »
The point of lives is for humans to serve the true and living God. If it weren't for Him, there would be no point to life.

Ephesians 2:10
For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

I would say read the rules first before you start spreading the word https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/forum-rules-please-read/

As long as we keep it to some technical debate about how and why life came to be it is somewhat within the lines of allowable.

Don't bring religious preaching into it.


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