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Re: Can I ask a question about ... our Universe?
« Reply #25 on: September 22, 2022, 06:36:53 am »
I have read the Bible cover to cover several times and quite a bit of it flatly contradicts what these religions teach.

Never read it cover to cover, but have seen enough of it to know about some of the contradictions. But there is no proper discussion possible about it, with someone who is a true believer. All you get is "He moves in mysterious ways"

I rather talk about the universe and contemplate on how it came to be based on some tangible evidence, for as far as that is possible. All we "know" about it is based on observation and interpretation by us humans.

The concept of life spawned in a primordial soup of chemicals is fascinating. Have to do some google searching to see if experiments have been done with success in creating some single cell organisms this way. Interesting on the one hand, but also very dangerous on the other. Think of some nasty pathogen to come to life this way :palm:

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« Reply #26 on: September 22, 2022, 06:56:42 am »
The concept of life spawned in a primordial soup of chemicals is fascinating. Have to do some google searching to see if experiments have been done with success in creating some single cell organisms this way.
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Of some 100 known amino acids, only 20 are used in proteins, and all are left-handed ones. When scientists make amino acids in laboratories, in imitation of what they feel possibly occurred in a prebiotic soup, they find an equal number of right-handed and left-handed molecules. “This kind of 50-50 distribution,” reports The New York Times, is “not characteristic of life, which depends on left-handed amino acids alone.” Why living organisms are made up of only left-handed amino acids is “a great mystery.” Even amino acids found in meteorites “showed excesses of left-handed forms.”
 
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Re: Can I ask a question about ... our Universe?
« Reply #27 on: September 22, 2022, 07:02:15 am »
why are there 8 planets in our solar system? why not 10, 25, 6?

Because are solar system happens to have 8(9!) planets.
If you were born on a planet in another solar system it would likely have another number.

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the universe is dark dark dark. Isn't that soooo scary?

Only if you go out there.

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If God created us, where did he get the time to create soooooo many things and sooooooo many creatures? He even created cats and tigers to differentiate themselves....

Again, if you happened to have been born on another planet, or heck, just another time period and/or another country, and/or another family, you may not think there is an imaginary god. Funny that.

 

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Re: Can I ask a question about ... our Universe?
« Reply #28 on: September 22, 2022, 07:08:05 am »
If you ask questions that seek answers, but you discount GOD, you will forever chase your tail in futile pursuits of human “wisdom”, and it can drive you to madness.

 

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Re: Can I ask a question about ... our Universe?
« Reply #29 on: September 22, 2022, 07:33:49 am »
I have read the Bible cover to cover several times and quite a bit of it flatly contradicts what these religions teach.

Never read it cover to cover, but have seen enough of it to know about some of the contradictions. But there is no proper discussion possible about it, with someone who is a true believer. All you get is "He moves in mysterious ways"

I rather talk about the universe and contemplate on how it came to be based on some tangible evidence, for as far as that is possible. All we "know" about it is based on observation and interpretation by us humans.

The concept of life spawned in a primordial soup of chemicals is fascinating. Have to do some google searching to see if experiments have been done with success in creating some single cell organisms this way. Interesting on the one hand, but also very dangerous on the other. Think of some nasty pathogen to come to life this way :palm:

This “primordial soup” thing is utter fairytale level nonsense. That’s what “evolutionists” believe, and they also believe that their great great great ^ 1,000 Grandpa was a monkey… and then have the audacity and gall to say we Christians “believe a fairytale”.

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Re: Can I ask a question about ... our Universe?
« Reply #30 on: September 22, 2022, 08:37:15 am »
Here we go, sliding into an unsolvable never ending discussion. There is no way to prove either the existence or the non existence of a higher being that created everything.

You believe what you like to believe, I stick to mine.

At least for mine there is some proof based on science.

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Re: Can I ask a question about ... our Universe?
« Reply #31 on: September 22, 2022, 08:52:14 am »
Well, that didn't take long to devolve (sic) into religous arguments.

I suggest that people have a look at the OP's posting record, particularly number of his OPs and the ratio of his responses to people that have replied. https://www.eevblog.com/forum/profile/?area=showposts;u=814280

He hasn't come back to this thread, which some might regard as unsurprising.
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Re: Can I ask a question about ... our Universe?
« Reply #32 on: September 22, 2022, 08:59:10 am »
I see your point.
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Re: Can I ask a question about ... our Universe?
« Reply #33 on: September 22, 2022, 09:12:57 am »
Yes, clearly someone who likes to start fires :-DD

And boy, do we love to burn 8)

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« Reply #34 on: September 22, 2022, 09:15:28 am »
Yes, clearly someone who likes to start fires :-DD

And boy, do we love to burn 8)

Yeah. :( or :) depending on my mood.
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Re: Can I ask a question about ... our Universe?
« Reply #35 on: September 22, 2022, 09:27:01 am »
Yes, clearly someone who likes to start fires :-DD

And boy, do we love to burn 8)

Yeah. :( or :) depending on my mood.

What if I told you...

Are you sure this is a technical question?

Sometimes even the engineers require a sanity check. Dealing with that can indeed be quite technical.
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Re: Can I ask a question about ... our Universe?
« Reply #36 on: September 22, 2022, 09:30:30 am »
There is a word to discuss the meaning of. :)

What is technical?  :-//

There are so many fields where it can apply and if you twist it a bit anything can be technical.  >:D

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Re: Can I ask a question about ... our Universe?
« Reply #37 on: September 22, 2022, 10:21:12 am »
I could go down the OP's questions one by one, giving my slant. But instead I will ask a better question.

Why/how does existence exist?
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Re: Can I ask a question about ... our Universe?
« Reply #38 on: September 22, 2022, 10:26:18 am »
Why/how does existence exist?

Ah the root of all questions :-DD

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Re: Can I ask a question about ... our Universe?
« Reply #39 on: September 22, 2022, 10:29:57 am »
why are there 8 planets in our solar system? why not 10, 25, 6?

Because are solar system happens to have 8(9!) planets.
If you were born on a planet in another solar system it would likely have another number.

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the universe is dark dark dark. Isn't that soooo scary?

Only if you go out there.

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If God created us, where did he get the time to create soooooo many things and sooooooo many creatures? He even created cats and tigers to differentiate themselves....

Again, if you happened to have been born on another planet, or heck, just another time period and/or another country, and/or another family, you may not think there is an imaginary god. Funny that.


Dave, would you please make more videos on fundamentals? I need more essentials on electronics.
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Re: Can I ask a question about ... our Universe?
« Reply #40 on: September 22, 2022, 10:32:42 am »

Dave, would you please make more videos on fundamentals? I need more essentials on electronics.

Of all the videos, what info in particular are you lacking?
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Re: Can I ask a question about ... our Universe?
« Reply #41 on: September 22, 2022, 10:35:28 am »
What are scales of basic forces?
Leave nucleus and dark matter out.
So EM, gravitation and dark energy.
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Re: Can I ask a question about ... our Universe?
« Reply #42 on: September 22, 2022, 10:57:00 am »
The concept of life spawned in a primordial soup of chemicals is fascinating. Have to do some google searching to see if experiments have been done with success in creating some single cell organisms this way.
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Of some 100 known amino acids, only 20 are used in proteins, and all are left-handed ones. When scientists make amino acids in laboratories, in imitation of what they feel possibly occurred in a prebiotic soup, they find an equal number of right-handed and left-handed molecules. “This kind of 50-50 distribution,” reports The New York Times, is “not characteristic of life, which depends on left-handed amino acids alone.” Why living organisms are made up of only left-handed amino acids is “a great mystery.” Even amino acids found in meteorites “showed excesses of left-handed forms.”

Found this one: https://newatlas.com/amino-acids-primordial-soup-stack-themselves/60873/

It is from 2019, and as with everything on the net the question is if it is true, but interesting nonetheless.

But even when the recipe to make a rudimentary life form is discovered it still does not answer the why question. And a new question can be asked, where did the amino acids come from in the first place. Since found in meteorites they seem to be spread across the universe, which means that under the right conditions there can be life in whatever form on other planets, even nearby ones.

Single cell organisms can thrive in very harsh conditions, based on findings on our own planet.

But discovery of such is a difficult and time consuming process. Just look at the voyager probes. Takes years to fly out and gather information. And that is just within our own solar system.


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Re: Can I ask a question about ... our Universe?
« Reply #43 on: September 22, 2022, 11:06:23 am »

Dave, would you please make more videos on fundamentals? I need more essentials on electronics.

Of all the videos, what info in particular are you lacking?
For example, I was told I'm not supposed to place my crystals by the edge of my PCB. They should be at least 1 cm away from edges. But I looked at my PCB again, only to find there ain't enough space to place my crystals far away enough from the edge. So what should I do?
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Re: Can I ask a question about ... our Universe?
« Reply #44 on: September 22, 2022, 11:23:58 am »
As I get older and older, I keep asking myself question about our universe. Sorry.

why are there 8 planets in our solar system? why not 10, 25, 6?

where were things before the big bang? where are we going? and why are we going?

the universe is dark dark dark. Isn't that soooo scary?

If God created us, where did he get the time to create soooooo many things and sooooooo many creatures? He even created cats and tigers to differentiate themselves....

and most importantly, we humans' lives are very hard in this universe. What's the point/purpose of lives?

Why do you think what we are perceiving consists of real things at all? All these questions you ask are just the decisions that the entity or entities that started this simulation decided to put in. The simulation only presents things to the degree that it takes to make you think you are living in a real world. You think there are lots of stars out there? It only seems that way because that's what the simulation presents to your brain. Pick a star to fly to - it will be presented to you as needed and will even look like you got to one eventually. But it never needed to be simulated as a full star unless it needed to be.

Same goes for all your other questions.
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Re: Can I ask a question about ... our Universe?
« Reply #45 on: September 22, 2022, 11:30:06 am »
 :-DD :-DD :-DD

I was wondering when the simulationalists would step in.

 :-DD :-DD :-DD

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Re: Can I ask a question about ... our Universe?
« Reply #46 on: September 22, 2022, 11:32:34 am »
Then you can go into an infinite loop of who is simulating the simulation of the simulation..............

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Re: Can I ask a question about ... our Universe?
« Reply #47 on: September 22, 2022, 11:41:05 am »
Ok, I'll give it a shot.
I really don't care if you agree or disagree, it doesn't matter.


why are there 8 planets in our solar system? why not 10, 25, 6?
Gravity, dust and time.
We had more planets in the past, and we will have less in the future as orbits fail and planets get into orbital collisions, or the sun expands to cover them.


where were things before the big bang?
One thing you always see in nature, or the universe, at all levels, is 'cycles'.  The big bang was just one part of a cycle, of something.

where are we going?
Everywhere, but only once we learn everything we can as humans and prove we are ready.

why are we going?

There is no other option. You only ever become better/wiser than you were.  Even if it takes billions of years, everyone is on the same path to keep getting better/wiser eventually.


the universe is dark dark dark. Isn't that soooo scary?
No, nothing to be scared of.  The universe is not dark at all, it's full of light, you just can't see all the light... yet.

If God created us, where did he get the time to create soooooo many things and sooooooo many creatures? He even created cats and tigers to differentiate themselves....
Maybe god created things that create an infinite number of other things, like maybe DNA. There is no need to create everything by hand one atom at a time.
With regard to the time needed... Relative to what, time is not a constant. It can be as fast or as slow as needed.


and most importantly, we humans' lives are very hard in this universe.

I don't think our lives are any tougher than we agreed to before hand.
We have no memory of this, but that is as it should be.  You cannot truly learn without a clean slate to build on top of. You need to be free from the burdens of past mistakes long ago, they make you stubborn and are counterproductive to learning.

What's the point/purpose of lives?

To learn, to teach and to help. To be better than you were.
Sometimes, in order to learn fast you have to make lots of mistakes.
The point of lives is to merge you with a human mind and make something new that is imperfect and will make mistakes and learn quicker.
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Re: Can I ask a question about ... our Universe?
« Reply #48 on: September 22, 2022, 12:18:48 pm »
:-DD :-DD :-DD

I was wondering when the simulationalists would step in.

 :-DD :-DD :-DD

I predicted that the simulation would present a "person" who would say just that.  :-+
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Re: Can I ask a question about ... our Universe?
« Reply #49 on: September 22, 2022, 12:25:28 pm »
Well, that didn't take long to devolve (sic) into religous arguments.

Yep, let's lock this one.
 
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