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As I get older and older, I keep asking myself question about our universe. Sorry.
why are there 8 planets in our solar system? why not 10, 25, 6?
where were things before the big bang? where are we going? and why are we going?
the universe is dark dark dark. Isn't that soooo scary?
If God created us, where did he get the time to create soooooo many things and sooooooo many creatures? He even created cats and tigers to differentiate themselves....
and most importantly, we humans' lives are very hard in this universe. What's the point/purpose of lives?
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What's the point/purpose of lives?
Yep that is the big question, that no one can provide a conclusive answer to.
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What's the point/purpose of lives?
I don't think that there's an inherit purpose to existence. That doesn't mean that you can't find one for yourself and make of it what you want, bonus points for improving the lives of others in the process.
Might be interesting for you:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBRqu0YOH14&ab_channel=Kurzgesagt%E2%80%93InaNutshell (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBRqu0YOH14&ab_channel=Kurzgesagt%E2%80%93InaNutshell)
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Some star systems probably do have six planets. Twenty-five is probably unlikely, there would be collisions merging many of them. I fail to see how the number of planets has any significance worth pondering.
While the universe has no purpose, your life can have purpose. Eventually you will die and cease to exist. Just as you didn't exist before the sperm and egg got together. It's up to you what you do with your life. Hopefully you learn this sooner rather than later.
Sorry, there is no god. Grow up and accept reality not fairy tales.
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You may find yourself living in a shotgun shack
And you may find yourself in another part of the world
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IsSpAOD6K8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IsSpAOD6K8)
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Sorry, there is no god. Grow up and accept reality not fairy tales.
Wow that is stirring up a potential pot of trouble. :-DD
But that is my take on things too.
We come and we go, what counts is what we do in between. Why it is that we come and go, nobody knows, but evolution for me as to how it came to be is a good theory. Where the universe is going to and where it is going to end, why bother thinking about it. It is all on a very large time scale that it most likely won't happen before the human race ceases to exist.
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Sorry, there is no god. Grow up and accept reality not fairy tales.
Wow that is stirring up a potential pot of trouble. :-DD
But that is my take on things too.
We come and we go, what counts is what we do in between. Why it is that we come and go, nobody knows, but evolution for me as to how it came to be is a good theory. Where the universe is going to and where it is going to end, why bother thinking about it. It is all on a very large time scale that it most likely won't happen before the human race ceases to exist.
Talking facts and reality shouldn't be a cause for trouble. Nobody has the right to expect others to validate their fantasy.
I agree about the scale of things. Realizing that the universe may in fact be random* - and is definitely pointless - could be depressing, but one has to realize that we don't live out our lives on that scale. Each of us could very easily have not existed at all. So we do, in a way, have a gift...though not from some old bearded egomaniac.
* I suspect that our universe (and all other universes) may not be random, that there is an evolution of universes. Seems reasonable to me that the kinetic energy from the initial forming of a black hole in one universe could be the cause of the Big Bang of an offspring universe. With some properties like the physical constants being passed through. But the fundamental root of the universe chain (or this universe if that is actually the case) would have to be random. Anything that isn't random would require an explanation. True nothingness isn't a blank, black void...since that would be a highly ordered state. True nothingness would have to some kind of random chaos. And patterns do emerge from randomness.
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http://www.online-literature.com/wellshg/warworlds/1/ (http://www.online-literature.com/wellshg/warworlds/1/)
BOOK ONE
THE COMING OF THE MARTIANS
CHAPTER ONE
THE EVE OF THE WAR
No one would have believed in the last years of the nineteenth century that this world was being watched keenly and closely by intelligences greater than man's and yet as mortal as his own; that as men busied themselves about their various concerns they were scrutinised and studied, perhaps almost as narrowly as a man with a microscope might scrutinise the transient creatures that swarm and multiply in a drop of water.
With infinite complacency men went to and fro over this globe about their little affairs, serene in their assurance of their empire over matter. It is possible that the infusoria under the microscope do the same. No one gave a thought to the older worlds of space as sources of human danger, or thought of them only to dismiss the idea of life upon them as impossible or improbable. It is curious to recall some of the mental habits of those departed days.
At most terrestrial men fancied there might be other men upon Mars, perhaps inferior to themselves and ready to welcome a missionary enterprise. Yet across the gulf of space, minds that are to our minds as ours are to those of the beasts that perish, intellects vast and cool and unsympathetic, regarded this earth with envious eyes, and slowly and surely drew their plans against us. And early in the twentieth century came the great disillusionment.
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though not from some old bearded egomaniac.
At the risk of reprisals, I like to think more in terms of a psychopath.
You know, if it is all according to some predetermined plan, there is some real big psychopathic shit in that plan.
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Take 1 tab of good acid,
stick this on repeat https://youtu.be/iNQpQzYS1qI
And all your questions will be answered
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If I remember correctly there was an episode of Dr. Who where the doc stated the purpose of life is to keep meat fresh...
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Since universe seems to be expanding without a force and distances are growing from nothingness, it's possible that our measurements are actually shrinking all the time.
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The purpose of life is in self-reproduction. No reproduction- no life.
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Since universe seems to be expanding without a force and distances are growing from nothingness, it's possible that our measurements are actually shrinking all the time.
No. Hubble expansion happens in intergalactic space. On smaller scale there is no expansion. Our galaxy is not expanding, neither does the Earth, nor do our measuring equipment calibrated against standard.
The standard itself is defined in terms light speed and time standard (1 meter is the distance light travels in 1/299,792,458th of a second), both invariant to the Hubble expansion.
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The purpose of life is in self-reproduction. No reproduction- no life.
That is true, but still does not answers the question why life came to be. If it is only for reasons of reproduction why is there then death?
You see, there will always be questions onto questions in this matter. No conclusive answer as to why.
Bit the same as to what came first, the chicken or the egg.
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That is true, but still does not answers the question why life came to be.
Scientific answer would be: because conditions allowed intelligent carbon-based life to appear and survive on Earth.
If your question is why such conditions appeared on Earth, and not, let say, on Mercury, the answer would be the anthropic principle.
If the question is why carbon-based life is even possible in the Universe, or why electrons and quarks exist in our Universe, or why the Universe exist - the answer is beyond science.
If it is only for reasons of reproduction why is there then death?
Because “everybody dies… sooner or later”:
https://youtu.be/ypBkfosrdPw
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Because “everybody dies… sooner or later”:
You are kidding, does everybody die. :palm: (Sorry could not resist)
I'm no idiot and know about history, evolution theory, bits of space stuff, etc. That is also why the first response to the original poster's question was my statement "Yep that is the big question, that no one can provide a conclusive answer to."
We know a lot about how life on earth came to be, and we also think we know why it did not happen on other planets in our solar system. (It is still the question if it did not happen) But with all that knowledge there is still no explanation as to why it did happen. And what the reason behind it al is, if there is any.
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Are you sure this is a technical question?
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The purpose of life is in self-reproduction. No reproduction- no life.
I can't self-reproduce. Neither can you. :)
No hydrogen...no life. So perhaps the purpose is to be hydrogen. Not so easy to simplify or assign a meaning afterall, eh?
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Are you sure this is a technical question?
Just like lots of other threads in this section not really no. Neither is it answerable. But interesting to ponder upon :)
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The purpose of life is in self-reproduction. No reproduction- no life.
I can't self-reproduce. Neither can you. :)
No hydrogen...no life. So perhaps the purpose is to be hydrogen. Not so easy to simplify or assign a meaning afterall, eh?
No humans can't, but there are organisms that can.
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The human mind however developed, will not be able to understand the beginning or end of the universe!
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Talking facts and reality shouldn't be a cause for trouble. Nobody has the right to expect others to validate their fantasy.
The pronoun obsessed probably have a different opinion on that. :palm:
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though not from some old bearded egomaniac.
At the risk of reprisals, I like to think more in terms of a psychopath.
You know, if it is all according to some predetermined plan, there is some real big psychopathic shit in that plan.
Some of the major religions teach that everything is predetermined and there is nothing you can do about it. If that is actually true and there is a creator then given the course of human history he would have some serious questions to answer. Those same religions, while claiming to represent him, have been involved up to their necks in politics and wars since they began. I have read the Bible cover to cover several times and quite a bit of it flatly contradicts what these religions teach. Which is why they have in the past fought tooth and nail to stop people reading it and nowadays do their best to discredit or misrepresent it. Many people swallow the ridiculous things that these religions teach and consequently they get the idea that an "old bearded egomaniac" or "psychopath" is in control.
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The point of lives is for humans to serve the true and living God. If it weren't for Him, there would be no point to life.
Ephesians 2:10
For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
I would say read the rules first before you start spreading the word https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/forum-rules-please-read/ (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/forum-rules-please-read/)
As long as we keep it to some technical debate about how and why life came to be it is somewhat within the lines of allowable.
Don't bring religious preaching into it.
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I have read the Bible cover to cover several times and quite a bit of it flatly contradicts what these religions teach.
Never read it cover to cover, but have seen enough of it to know about some of the contradictions. But there is no proper discussion possible about it, with someone who is a true believer. All you get is "He moves in mysterious ways"
I rather talk about the universe and contemplate on how it came to be based on some tangible evidence, for as far as that is possible. All we "know" about it is based on observation and interpretation by us humans.
The concept of life spawned in a primordial soup of chemicals is fascinating. Have to do some google searching to see if experiments have been done with success in creating some single cell organisms this way. Interesting on the one hand, but also very dangerous on the other. Think of some nasty pathogen to come to life this way :palm:
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The concept of life spawned in a primordial soup of chemicals is fascinating. Have to do some google searching to see if experiments have been done with success in creating some single cell organisms this way.
Of some 100 known amino acids, only 20 are used in proteins, and all are left-handed ones. When scientists make amino acids in laboratories, in imitation of what they feel possibly occurred in a prebiotic soup, they find an equal number of right-handed and left-handed molecules. “This kind of 50-50 distribution,” reports The New York Times, is “not characteristic of life, which depends on left-handed amino acids alone.” Why living organisms are made up of only left-handed amino acids is “a great mystery.” Even amino acids found in meteorites “showed excesses of left-handed forms.”
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why are there 8 planets in our solar system? why not 10, 25, 6?
Because are solar system happens to have 8(9!) planets.
If you were born on a planet in another solar system it would likely have another number.
the universe is dark dark dark. Isn't that soooo scary?
Only if you go out there.
If God created us, where did he get the time to create soooooo many things and sooooooo many creatures? He even created cats and tigers to differentiate themselves....
Again, if you happened to have been born on another planet, or heck, just another time period and/or another country, and/or another family, you may not think there is an imaginary god. Funny that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRyoe2cgCYs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRyoe2cgCYs)
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If you ask questions that seek answers, but you discount GOD, you will forever chase your tail in futile pursuits of human “wisdom”, and it can drive you to madness.
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I have read the Bible cover to cover several times and quite a bit of it flatly contradicts what these religions teach.
Never read it cover to cover, but have seen enough of it to know about some of the contradictions. But there is no proper discussion possible about it, with someone who is a true believer. All you get is "He moves in mysterious ways"
I rather talk about the universe and contemplate on how it came to be based on some tangible evidence, for as far as that is possible. All we "know" about it is based on observation and interpretation by us humans.
The concept of life spawned in a primordial soup of chemicals is fascinating. Have to do some google searching to see if experiments have been done with success in creating some single cell organisms this way. Interesting on the one hand, but also very dangerous on the other. Think of some nasty pathogen to come to life this way :palm:
This “primordial soup” thing is utter fairytale level nonsense. That’s what “evolutionists” believe, and they also believe that their great great great ^ 1,000 Grandpa was a monkey… and then have the audacity and gall to say we Christians “believe a fairytale”.
Okkkk
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Here we go, sliding into an unsolvable never ending discussion. There is no way to prove either the existence or the non existence of a higher being that created everything.
You believe what you like to believe, I stick to mine.
At least for mine there is some proof based on science.
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Well, that didn't take long to devolve (sic) into religous arguments.
I suggest that people have a look at the OP's posting record, particularly number of his OPs and the ratio of his responses to people that have replied. https://www.eevblog.com/forum/profile/?area=showposts;u=814280 (https://www.eevblog.com/forum/profile/?area=showposts;u=814280)
He hasn't come back to this thread, which some might regard as unsurprising.
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I see your point.
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Yes, clearly someone who likes to start fires :-DD
And boy, do we love to burn 8)
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Yes, clearly someone who likes to start fires :-DD
And boy, do we love to burn 8)
Yeah. :( or :) depending on my mood.
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Yes, clearly someone who likes to start fires :-DD
And boy, do we love to burn 8)
Yeah. :( or :) depending on my mood.
What if I told you...
Are you sure this is a technical question?
Sometimes even the engineers require a sanity check. Dealing with that can indeed be quite technical.
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There is a word to discuss the meaning of. :)
What is technical? :-//
There are so many fields where it can apply and if you twist it a bit anything can be technical. >:D
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I could go down the OP's questions one by one, giving my slant. But instead I will ask a better question.
Why/how does existence exist?
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Why/how does existence exist?
Ah the root of all questions :-DD
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why are there 8 planets in our solar system? why not 10, 25, 6?
Because are solar system happens to have 8(9!) planets.
If you were born on a planet in another solar system it would likely have another number.
the universe is dark dark dark. Isn't that soooo scary?
Only if you go out there.
If God created us, where did he get the time to create soooooo many things and sooooooo many creatures? He even created cats and tigers to differentiate themselves....
Again, if you happened to have been born on another planet, or heck, just another time period and/or another country, and/or another family, you may not think there is an imaginary god. Funny that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRyoe2cgCYs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRyoe2cgCYs)
Dave, would you please make more videos on fundamentals? I need more essentials on electronics.
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Dave, would you please make more videos on fundamentals? I need more essentials on electronics.
Of all the videos, what info in particular are you lacking?
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What are scales of basic forces?
Leave nucleus and dark matter out.
So EM, gravitation and dark energy.
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The concept of life spawned in a primordial soup of chemicals is fascinating. Have to do some google searching to see if experiments have been done with success in creating some single cell organisms this way.
Of some 100 known amino acids, only 20 are used in proteins, and all are left-handed ones. When scientists make amino acids in laboratories, in imitation of what they feel possibly occurred in a prebiotic soup, they find an equal number of right-handed and left-handed molecules. “This kind of 50-50 distribution,” reports The New York Times, is “not characteristic of life, which depends on left-handed amino acids alone.” Why living organisms are made up of only left-handed amino acids is “a great mystery.” Even amino acids found in meteorites “showed excesses of left-handed forms.”
Found this one: https://newatlas.com/amino-acids-primordial-soup-stack-themselves/60873/ (https://newatlas.com/amino-acids-primordial-soup-stack-themselves/60873/)
It is from 2019, and as with everything on the net the question is if it is true, but interesting nonetheless.
But even when the recipe to make a rudimentary life form is discovered it still does not answer the why question. And a new question can be asked, where did the amino acids come from in the first place. Since found in meteorites they seem to be spread across the universe, which means that under the right conditions there can be life in whatever form on other planets, even nearby ones.
Single cell organisms can thrive in very harsh conditions, based on findings on our own planet.
But discovery of such is a difficult and time consuming process. Just look at the voyager probes. Takes years to fly out and gather information. And that is just within our own solar system.
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Dave, would you please make more videos on fundamentals? I need more essentials on electronics.
Of all the videos, what info in particular are you lacking?
For example, I was told I'm not supposed to place my crystals by the edge of my PCB. They should be at least 1 cm away from edges. But I looked at my PCB again, only to find there ain't enough space to place my crystals far away enough from the edge. So what should I do?
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As I get older and older, I keep asking myself question about our universe. Sorry.
why are there 8 planets in our solar system? why not 10, 25, 6?
where were things before the big bang? where are we going? and why are we going?
the universe is dark dark dark. Isn't that soooo scary?
If God created us, where did he get the time to create soooooo many things and sooooooo many creatures? He even created cats and tigers to differentiate themselves....
and most importantly, we humans' lives are very hard in this universe. What's the point/purpose of lives?
Why do you think what we are perceiving consists of real things at all? All these questions you ask are just the decisions that the entity or entities that started this simulation decided to put in. The simulation only presents things to the degree that it takes to make you think you are living in a real world. You think there are lots of stars out there? It only seems that way because that's what the simulation presents to your brain. Pick a star to fly to - it will be presented to you as needed and will even look like you got to one eventually. But it never needed to be simulated as a full star unless it needed to be.
Same goes for all your other questions.
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I was wondering when the simulationalists would step in.
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Then you can go into an infinite loop of who is simulating the simulation of the simulation..............
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Ok, I'll give it a shot.
I really don't care if you agree or disagree, it doesn't matter.
why are there 8 planets in our solar system? why not 10, 25, 6?
Gravity, dust and time.
We had more planets in the past, and we will have less in the future as orbits fail and planets get into orbital collisions, or the sun expands to cover them.
where were things before the big bang?
One thing you always see in nature, or the universe, at all levels, is 'cycles'. The big bang was just one part of a cycle, of something.
where are we going?
Everywhere, but only once we learn everything we can as humans and prove we are ready.
why are we going?
There is no other option. You only ever become better/wiser than you were. Even if it takes billions of years, everyone is on the same path to keep getting better/wiser eventually.
the universe is dark dark dark. Isn't that soooo scary?
No, nothing to be scared of. The universe is not dark at all, it's full of light, you just can't see all the light... yet.
If God created us, where did he get the time to create soooooo many things and sooooooo many creatures? He even created cats and tigers to differentiate themselves....
Maybe god created things that create an infinite number of other things, like maybe DNA. There is no need to create everything by hand one atom at a time.
With regard to the time needed... Relative to what, time is not a constant. It can be as fast or as slow as needed.
and most importantly, we humans' lives are very hard in this universe.
I don't think our lives are any tougher than we agreed to before hand.
We have no memory of this, but that is as it should be. You cannot truly learn without a clean slate to build on top of. You need to be free from the burdens of past mistakes long ago, they make you stubborn and are counterproductive to learning.
What's the point/purpose of lives?
To learn, to teach and to help. To be better than you were.
Sometimes, in order to learn fast you have to make lots of mistakes.
The point of lives is to merge you with a human mind and make something new that is imperfect and will make mistakes and learn quicker.
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I was wondering when the simulationalists would step in.
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I predicted that the simulation would present a "person" who would say just that. :-+
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Well, that didn't take long to devolve (sic) into religous arguments.
Yep, let's lock this one.