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Car companies stop production due to semi shortage
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SilverSolder:

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--- Quote from: olkipukki on January 17, 2021, 11:28:38 pm ---Really? Thought nobody is buying cars today, so nowhere to park and store, and somehow they need to slow down the production

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It's actually the exact opposite. Cars are selling like hot cakes at the moment, at least in US and Canada, so manufacturers can't build them fast enough. I've ordered a new car back in October, and it still hasn't arrived. I also happen to work with plants of one of major car manufacturers, and they are also fully booked and sometimes have to work extra shifts to catch up with production plans.

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yes, people don't want or can't use public transport so they buy a car instead

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Look on the bright side - a glut of cheap used cars for the cheapskates, when they all come off lease!  :D
Yansi:
Well, what sane person likes to travel in the crowded public transport these days, where half of the idiots can't even wear the mask properly? Anyway, that is an offtopic and an only partial explanation, why cars are still the no.1 in personal transport. Especially when travel by car is at times significantly cheaper and significantly more comfortable, than the public transport.

And, I thought I've read somewhere recently, that the cause of shortages were due to the automotive industry. And before the general shortage of the semicondutors came, I've seen at least shortage of ST-made stuff, that was (at least at that time) thought to be caused by some strikes in France?
Mazo:
Worked for a major player in the automotive electronics business.Don't ever dismiss the human factor.

Short story:A cluster project in production for years,everything going according to plan,with the numbers to be produced known for years.A year+ left to EOL of the product(some tens of K units,if I remember correctly).A pretty simple IC(protected high side switch,the mosfet+extras kind of thingy) goes out of stock,not to be produced anymore.
BIG problem,emails flying everywhere,how such a reputed IC manufacturer of whom we buy milions of ICs every year can do such a thing without notice(just the normal corporative stuff).When the IC manufacturer in question was asked "WTF" they simply pointed us to the emails that somebody in my company(the person responsible to keep track of these things) received for years(every 6months) that the part in question will be EOL by.....
The person got an email also that the incoming buy was the LAST one(with nice big red bold lettering).Didn't bat an eye.We didn't have contract for that part ofc.
The result:As layout changes are notoriously frowned upon due to the slow and expensive process of reverifying,and there was no direct replacement part,people were hired to go and basically scour electronic parts warehouses around the world just to get some reels of the part in question.Luckily managed to find a few reels and everything was fine again.
The thing that amazed me the most:nobody got fired.
thm_w:

--- Quote from: Yansi on January 19, 2021, 04:50:52 pm ---Well, what sane person likes to travel in the crowded public transport these days, where half of the idiots can't even wear the mask properly? Anyway, that is an offtopic and an only partial explanation, why cars are still the no.1 in personal transport. Especially when travel by car is at times significantly cheaper and significantly more comfortable, than the public transport.

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https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/there-is-little-evidence-that-mass-transit-poses-a-risk-of-coronavirus-outbreaks/
Car is sure as hell not cheaper than transit here. $4/day for transit vs $10-20/day for a car on the low end.
tszaboo:

--- Quote from: fcb on January 19, 2021, 09:09:06 am ---
--- Quote from: NANDBlog on January 18, 2021, 11:00:58 pm ---https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-01-11/missing-chips-snarl-car-production-at-factories-worldwide
More info.
I think I get it. About 40% of a car's price is electronics nowadays, and they are sold with hair thin margins. They cannot afford to pay extra for that electronics. Meanwhile they make a new phone for 1200 EUR, and people will stand in line in front of the stores to get it.

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If semiconductors are now 40% of a car's price (skeptical - perhaps 40% of the BOM, but a huge part of the price of the car is the R&D, tooling, labour and investment in the factories).

Ford was basically a steel producer, most car companies these days would be happiest just renting out their badges. If the semiconductor value in a car keeps on rising, you will basically be buying a TSMC with an AUDI logo.

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It's not semiconductors, it's electronics.
https://www2.deloitte.com/content/dam/Deloitte/cn/Documents/technology-media-telecommunications/deloitte-cn-tmt-semiconductors-the-next-wave-en-190422.pdf
It includes everything, probably even software. According to this study, the semiconductor cost is only around 400 USD per car? That doesnt sound too much. So they couldn't pay a little extra on that?
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