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Cashless Australia
Simon:
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--- Quote from: Simon on March 15, 2021, 08:26:01 pm ---Don't pollute this thread!
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It's probably not correct to call it pollution, since it's his thread and premise to start with.
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Yes but that is totally not the direction to go. It has nothing at all to do with a cashless society and the links drown are totally unfounded.
cdev:
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--- Quote from: cdev on March 15, 2021, 08:15:08 pm ---A friend of mine who is from China just told me a horrendous story about somebody who got into an argument with one of the people who hold a secret official position. But anyway, this one guy who had it in for the person whose was subjected to this abuse apparently deleted or somehow modified this persons official citizen number.
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Any references? If this is true, we just found a way to change a person's USCI (unified social credit identifier), which is equivalent to SSN in the US. You do realize how powerful this will be right, this will free anyone from any debts and criminal records even pending charges, and create clean record citizens from illegal immigrants and refugees. If someone has access to do that, I recommend befriending with him, you just found a shortcut to be a multi millionaire.
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I think she was just pointing out how horrible a totally cashless surveillance society could become by telling me this story she heard second hand. If you want to read moe about the implications for Europe, Norbet Haerings site has a lot. Here in the US, a book recently came out about The Digital Poorhouse. And that ios a good search term to find out more. (Along with "robodebt" "centrelink" "Better than Cash Alliance" etc. cashless cities. (The credit card companies are ecstatic about this I am sure) Jane Kelsey is a law schoiar at the University of Auckland in New Zealand who has spoken extensively about the business side of it, how the big US internet companies see it, and the trade aspects of it. SHe speaks about "GAFA" (Google Apple Facebook Amazon) as well as about the Chinese ecosystem for online business and credit. I think her insight is very good. Also, Sanya Reid Smith at TWN (Third World Network) is very good. Both have lots of content on YouTube they are featured speaking in (though neither posts content themselves, I am pretty sure, neither does TWN)
GodIsRealUnless DefinedInt:
A third of my family are Australian, my grandfather on my mother's side lived in regional Victoria and did not even trust his money in the bank. He was one of the iconic people with all his money in cash under his mattress. The value of paper money is nothing in an emergency. Value is in the eyes of the other party and if you had some epic natural disaster and everyone has bought out all the water bottles and emergency supplies and you offer them extremely inflated prices to part with all your cash on hand do you really think the other person will give up survival rations for paper? And cashless, if you present your credit card to someone will they also part with survival rations? In that respect you seem to be in the same boat regardless of the scheme used. Paper money used to be backed by the gold standard, now its backed by wishes and hopes and everyone agreeing it still has some sort of value. Going paperless is a hell of a lot easier to keep track digitally of everyone in the country and their spending habits though.
cdev:
at if the country your specific money is denominated in is subjected to some judgement that exceds its entire GNP? They are all working overtime to make it possible for anyone to alienate (sell) any right. What this means is that countries money could become worthless suddenly, although its unlikely, it seems we're headed in that direction. I don't trust national politicians any more because Ive seen them lying about things I know and care about. Shamelessly.
Simon:
--- Quote from: cdev on March 16, 2021, 10:32:04 pm ---
--- Quote from: blueskull on March 16, 2021, 04:15:18 am ---
--- Quote from: cdev on March 15, 2021, 08:15:08 pm ---A friend of mine who is from China just told me a horrendous story about somebody who got into an argument with one of the people who hold a secret official position. But anyway, this one guy who had it in for the person whose was subjected to this abuse apparently deleted or somehow modified this persons official citizen number.
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Any references? If this is true, we just found a way to change a person's USCI (unified social credit identifier), which is equivalent to SSN in the US. You do realize how powerful this will be right, this will free anyone from any debts and criminal records even pending charges, and create clean record citizens from illegal immigrants and refugees. If someone has access to do that, I recommend befriending with him, you just found a shortcut to be a multi millionaire.
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I think she was just pointing out how horrible a totally cashless surveillance society could become by telling me this story she heard second hand. If you want to read moe about the implications for Europe, Norbet Haerings site has a lot. Here in the US, a book recently came out about The Digital Poorhouse. And that ios a good search term to find out more. (Along with "robodebt" "centrelink" "Better than Cash Alliance" etc. cashless cities. (The credit card companies are ecstatic about this I am sure) Jane Kelsey is a law schoiar at the University of Auckland in New Zealand who has spoken extensively about the business side of it, how the big US internet companies see it, and the trade aspects of it. SHe speaks about "GAFA" (Google Apple Facebook Amazon) as well as about the Chinese ecosystem for online business and credit. I think her insight is very good. Also, Sanya Reid Smith at TWN (Third World Network) is very good. Both have lots of content on YouTube they are featured speaking in (though neither posts content themselves, I am pretty sure, neither does TWN)
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Can't you take a hint?
Just go talk to someone that has made themselves bankrupt to find out how hard doing anything may became! you fall foul of your governing system your life gets hard, it does not matter where you live. A work colleague has just found out how screwed he is because he was furloughed during this pandemic and can't re-mortgage, and our employer is is doing just fine, they just picked the two highest payed in the office and got the government to pay their wages.... now they suffer due to the system of the banks, be it cash or cashless they would have had this problem.
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