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| Halcyon:
--- Quote from: cdev on March 11, 2021, 10:03:07 pm ---I don't think this is even remotely true. --- End quote --- It may not be in the US, but in other parts of the world, such as Australia, it's very much true. Every year when we complete our tax returns, we get an individual breakdown of how much of our tax dollars was spent where. Welfare is always at the top of the list. |
| AntiProtonBoy:
--- Quote from: Halcyon on March 11, 2021, 08:04:30 am ---I honestly think mentality like this is damaging. Everyday things that you and I buy, say or do won't be made illegal tomorrow. Nor is legislation enacted quickly or as far-reaching as you describe. It just doesn't happen. Hell, even our cloud data laws are out of date (and are currently in the process of being reviewed). I've seen the drafts and even then, it doesn't go far enough. Surveillance, certainly in this country, will never impact 99.99% of residents. --- End quote --- "I'm not doing anything wrong, so it doesn't affect me. I have nothing to hide, so why should I care. The stuff I buy will be of no interest to anyone." I would say mentality like that is even more damaging. Apathy towards privacy just enables abuse with those who have access to data. Legislation may not be enacted quickly, but its implementation is incremental. Just look back in the last 20 years, not just here, but also internationally, and you will find that governments and law enforcement are becoming more intrusive and hostile towards measures that implement privacy. And we just keep surrendering our data willingly to authorities with the misplaced implicit trust that our information will never be abused. |
| Halcyon:
--- Quote from: AntiProtonBoy on March 12, 2021, 01:29:14 am --- --- Quote from: Halcyon on March 11, 2021, 08:04:30 am ---I honestly think mentality like this is damaging. Everyday things that you and I buy, say or do won't be made illegal tomorrow. Nor is legislation enacted quickly or as far-reaching as you describe. It just doesn't happen. Hell, even our cloud data laws are out of date (and are currently in the process of being reviewed). I've seen the drafts and even then, it doesn't go far enough. Surveillance, certainly in this country, will never impact 99.99% of residents. --- End quote --- "I'm not doing anything wrong, so it doesn't affect me. I have nothing to hide, so why should I care. The stuff I buy will be of no interest to anyone." I would say mentality like that is even more damaging. Apathy towards privacy just enables abuse with those who have access to data. Legislation may not be enacted quickly, but its implementation is incremental. Just look back in the last 20 years, not just here, but also internationally, and you will find that governments and law enforcement are becoming more intrusive and hostile towards measures that implement privacy. And we just keep surrendering our data willingly to authorities with the misplaced implicit trust that our information will never be abused. --- End quote --- No, I absolutely agree. However most people have their priorities backwards. I have nothing (illegal or embarassing) to hide yet I still expect a reasonable right to privacy. I can guarantee that the vast majority of those complaining about "mass surveillance" are the very same people who voluntarily share their personal information, photographs, location information etc... with companies such as Facebook, Instagram, Apple and sometimes even the general public for all to see. I don't agree that governments have been hostile to privacy at all. Take your favourite encrypted messaging application for example, laws have been strengthened to allow government agencies and police to access this information under certain circumstances, but those circumstances will never apply to almost all of us. If you have your phone seized because you committed a serious crime, well that's completely on you. What the government do in order to access that information after the fact is fair game. I would say over the past 20 years, access to private information has become more difficult, not easier. |
| Nusa:
Anyone who claims to know how US money is going to be spent in 2021 is not only predicting the future of a VERY non-typical year that mostly hasn't happened yet, but is just plain wrong. The number changed by $1.9 trillion today, as a matter of fact. Last year wasn't typical either. |
| cdev:
I saw this happen in the Coachella Valley years ago. Two men were sitting in car in the street. It was 120 degrees in the shade. They were watching a very big house. I went out there to give them some ice water, since their car's air conditioner was working hard. They didn't tell me who they were but it became obvious that they were cops of some kind, the next day when other federal police arrived and started carting the contents out of the house. I got the impression the neighbors were in arrears on their taxes. That was a very strange neighborhood. None of those rich people there have normal jobs. They live in a different world. It was a kind of neat place anyway. Very pretty. The weather was unbelievably hot and dry. If you spilled water on the ground it would just dry up right away. If you washed clothes and took a shower, you and clothes both would be dry seconds after you got out. It was a real desert. Usually hot as could be. One of the hottest places in the US. --- Quote from: blueskull on March 10, 2021, 05:19:33 am --- --- Quote from: NANDBlog on March 09, 2021, 08:11:59 am ---By the time you get to the store to buy some food, the tax office liberated the money from your account, because you owned them. --- End quote --- How can a tax office liberate your money without the court giving them a go, and how can a court give a forced execution of property go without leaving you enough for basic living? Read your laws, there should be something like this somewhere. If your law does not have this kind of bankruptcy protection, the tax office can technically go to your house with cops and rob you legally with a go from the court, too, regardless you use a card or not. --- End quote --- Thee is a law that lets them take your tax returns if you have outstanding student loans, I'm sure they will have the same thing for any other judgement against somebody that comes from the government. Say soebody is stealing from you and you fight it, cant afford $00 hour legal fees, and you lose. Then you will be hig with a large bill for somebody elses legal fees just for standing up for what are in thory your rights. I think some countries wont let you leave the country or travel if you are in that situation. Right now many Americans with large student loans have left the country, they went to places like India or Africa and got married, got jobs, had children. A normal life. They wont be allowed to get away with that. The banks want their money. The day isnt far off when they will start hunting down those poor people literally to the ends of the earth. They have a huge PR campaign trying to get public opinion to be for it. Most people aren't. They have all either had student loans themselves or had friends who were harassed by the automated debt collectors. |
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