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Offline Chris56000Topic starter

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Chinese making a killing on FPGA chips?
« on: April 13, 2022, 07:59:41 pm »
Hi!

I was looking at the parts list for the  Programmable 405–Line TV Standards Converter, this needs an EP4CE6E22C8N in qfp44, and I was flabbergasted at some of the eBay prices – £250–£700 per chip each!!!

Are we ever going to see an end to this nonsense?

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Re: Chinese making a killing on FPGA chips?
« Reply #1 on: April 13, 2022, 08:53:23 pm »
FPGAs are generally painful at the moment, Altera more so the Xilinx but we are getting 9 month lead times on Zynq 7030 and just plain forget about Spartan 6, those are basically unobtanium.

I am not at all surprised that an old Cyclone IV is only available from the scalpers.

 

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Re: Chinese making a killing on FPGA chips?
« Reply #2 on: April 13, 2022, 09:08:00 pm »
We've seen up to 24 months lead time on Zynq 7010's.  The market is really weird right now.
 

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Re: Chinese making a killing on FPGA chips?
« Reply #3 on: April 13, 2022, 10:40:46 pm »
You know how to sort by price right? The cheapest one is $50.
About the same on aliexpress.
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Re: Chinese making a killing on FPGA chips?
« Reply #4 on: April 14, 2022, 06:31:30 pm »
FPGAs are generally painful at the moment, Altera more so the Xilinx but we are getting 9 month lead times on Zynq 7030 and just plain forget about Spartan 6, those are basically unobtanium.

My guess is that Spartan 6 is never coming back. (Nor are Spartan 3/3A/3AN, if you have designs that use them.)

I have a Lattice MachXO2 part designed in for something right now and I haven't pulled the trigger on boards because I don't know if those parts will ever come back. I have exactly two of them on the shelf.
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Re: Chinese making a killing on FPGA chips?
« Reply #5 on: April 14, 2022, 07:17:16 pm »
Yeah, the MachXO2 has become unobtainium as well...

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Re: Chinese making a killing on FPGA chips?
« Reply #6 on: April 14, 2022, 09:46:27 pm »
My guess is that Spartan 6 is never coming back. (Nor are Spartan 3/3A/3AN, if you have designs that use them.)

It's coming back, but it's on 45nm, which is basically sold out right now.  Last I heard is it was on order at Samsung and Xilinx were qualifying the option of making them at TSMC, but being 40nm node rather than 28nm/20nm like 7-Series/UltraScale means yields are lower, costs are higher, you get less on each wafer, and you're at the back of a very long queue with a lot of automotive 40-45nm stuff.
 


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