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Re: ChipQuik - A joke, or actual a useful product?
« Reply #25 on: May 14, 2023, 12:39:56 pm »
Sorry, I was just trying to be helpful since you seem to struggle with comprehension problems. Never mind.
 

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Re: ChipQuik - A joke, or actual a useful product?
« Reply #26 on: May 14, 2023, 05:13:19 pm »
Sorry, I was just trying to be helpful since you seem to struggle with comprehension problems. Never mind.

Some people seem to struggle with comprehension, and others seem to struggle with perception...  :-//
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Re: ChipQuik - A joke, or actual a useful product?
« Reply #27 on: May 14, 2023, 05:34:07 pm »
Well that’s certainly not correct. Most hardware store silicone is the acetoxy cure type, which releases acetic acid (vinegar) when curing. This will cause corrosion of electronic components, so must not be used. There are “neutral cure” types at the hardware store, but that’s still no guarantee they’re compatible with electronics due to other additives.

I see people parroting this often, but I use regular acidic silicone on electronics all the time and have for decades, I've never had it cause corrosion that I can recall. YMMV but it has always worked for me.

It certainly doesn't cost "pennies per bucket" though, the last time I bought some it was over 10 bucks for the sort of tube that goes in a caulking gun.
 

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Re: ChipQuik - A joke, or actual a useful product?
« Reply #28 on: May 14, 2023, 05:38:54 pm »
I wasn't using it as an adhesive, I was adding blobs between TH parts to other nearby parts to prevent any vibration.

I did not ask for using it as an adhesive, i was asking about the property of how good it will stick to other materials (called adhesion).

If you're asking about adhesion that certainly implies you're using it as an adhesive. Adhesion is literally what makes something an adhesive   :-//
 

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Re: ChipQuik - A joke, or actual a useful product?
« Reply #29 on: May 14, 2023, 08:22:07 pm »
If you're asking about adhesion that certainly implies you're using it as an adhesive. Adhesion is literally what makes something an adhesive   :-//
So then if a PCB manufacturer asks about the adhesive properties of a soldermask on copper, it would imply, that he is going to use it to glue copper parts together?
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Re: ChipQuik - A joke, or actual a useful product?
« Reply #30 on: May 14, 2023, 11:43:35 pm »
So then if a PCB manufacturer asks about the adhesive properties of a soldermask on copper, it would imply, that he is going to use it to glue copper parts together?
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No, but if it has adhesion properties then it is an adhesive. That doesn't mean it is necessarily going to be used to glue parts together, it can mean simply that it has adhesion.
 

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Re: ChipQuik - A joke, or actual a useful product?
« Reply #31 on: May 15, 2023, 12:37:37 am »
It certainly doesn't cost "pennies per bucket" though, the last time I bought some it was over 10 bucks for the sort of tube that goes in a caulking gun.

This is what being ripped off by monopolistic chain stores looks like.
 

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Re: ChipQuik - A joke, or actual a useful product?
« Reply #32 on: May 15, 2023, 04:16:48 am »
I mean, a gallon pail of silicone isn't exactly cheap either.  It goes down some in quantity, but there is very good reason why companies don't like to pot things if they don't have to.

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Re: ChipQuik - A joke, or actual a useful product?
« Reply #33 on: May 15, 2023, 04:32:31 pm »
getting into chemistry
companies buy in bulk. curing time will delay production
 

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Re: ChipQuik - A joke, or actual a useful product?
« Reply #34 on: May 16, 2023, 09:25:44 am »
No, but if it has adhesion properties then it is an adhesive. That doesn't mean it is necessarily going to be used to glue parts together, it can mean simply that it has adhesion.
I had a look in a dictionary, because this is not my native language:

"adhesive" (noun)
a sticky substance that is used for joining things together, usually permanently.

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https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/adhesive

Please learn some english to not spread to much nonsense.
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Re: ChipQuik - A joke, or actual a useful product?
« Reply #35 on: May 16, 2023, 09:42:27 am »
I had a look in a dictionary, because this is not my native language:

"adhesive" (noun)
a sticky substance that is used for joining things together, usually permanently.

Source:
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/adhesive

Please learn some english to not spread to much nonsense.

Please learn to research your facts not just from a language dictionary. To keep things manageable, why don't you start here: https://www.britannica.com/technology/adhesive

And please learn some modesty and manners, not to embarrass yourself too much.
 

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Re: ChipQuik - A joke, or actual a useful product?
« Reply #36 on: May 16, 2023, 04:22:05 pm »
blabla

Would you please keep your opinion to yourself? Facts? Go fact check yourself!  :-DD
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Re: ChipQuik - A joke, or actual a useful product?
« Reply #37 on: May 16, 2023, 05:17:47 pm »
I found this Silicone:
http://www.chipquik.com/store/product_info.php?products_id=495011

The description is at one point so useless, that i doubt, that this product is useable at all.

Highlighting materials that never appear in electronics, but at the same time putting those materials that are often used in electronics and that have also some major differences in their adhesion properties into one word?

I would not mind is this product would have been pretty cheap...

Anyone knows a good source of what glue to use for different tasks and where to get it for electronics?

Maybe if you had been clear about your intended use, this silly argument could have been avoided. You most certainly asked about glue (=adhesive) in your original post. The only uses of Silicone in electronic, that come to mind at the moment, are for gluing / strengthening attachments, eg. Electrolytic capacitors, mechanical damping, and sealing.

At the moment, this just leaves you looking foolish.
« Last Edit: May 16, 2023, 05:28:40 pm by Gyro »
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Re: ChipQuik - A joke, or actual a useful product?
« Reply #38 on: May 16, 2023, 08:33:03 pm »

Maybe if you had been clear about your intended use, this silly argument could have been avoided.

Why should i be clear about an intended use, when there is actually none???

Yes that sentence might be not well formed, but "different tasks" should imply, that there is not a particular intented use. Dont you think so?

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Re: ChipQuik - A joke, or actual a useful product?
« Reply #39 on: May 17, 2023, 12:57:15 am »
Well if you have no intended use then all that really needs to be said is that ChipQuik is a reputable company that makes quality products, whether their products are well suited for you depends on your application, which you're welcome to ask about when you have one.
 

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Re: ChipQuik - A joke, or actual a useful product?
« Reply #40 on: May 17, 2023, 01:30:38 am »
You guys sure you used silicone on the PCBs? Maybe you used polyurethane or acrylic caulk.
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Re: ChipQuik - A joke, or actual a useful product?
« Reply #41 on: May 17, 2023, 02:13:09 am »
Yes I'm sure, I usually use GE clear silicone. I typically avoid latex calk, it's easier to clean up but it shrinks with age.
 

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Re: ChipQuik - A joke, or actual a useful product?
« Reply #42 on: May 17, 2023, 03:40:31 am »
Anyone knows a good source of what glue to use for different tasks and where to get it for electronics?

Yes
 
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Re: ChipQuik - A joke, or actual a useful product?
« Reply #43 on: May 17, 2023, 06:11:26 am »

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0002BBX3U

I paid $6.28 the last time I bought any. That was about a month ago.
 

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Re: ChipQuik - A joke, or actual a useful product?
« Reply #44 on: May 17, 2023, 07:13:58 am »
I actually read the instructions for probably the first time ever. It is aquarium safe, but only after curing which apparently takes between 45 minutes and two hours. I does say: "Do not use on marble. limestone. brass, copper, magnesium, iron, zinc, or galvanized metal." Then there is a sort of sentence fragment: "Hard to bond plastics such as PE, PP, PTFE, PMMA, PC, or PVC." I think they meant to say something about it not sticking very well to those.

It seems to me that applied thinly or in small quantities it's probably fine and any damage it's going to do would happen during the first hour or so while it's curing. No, it would not make good potting compound.
 

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Re: ChipQuik - A joke, or actual a useful product?
« Reply #45 on: May 17, 2023, 07:16:59 am »
You guys sure you used silicone on the PCBs? Maybe you used polyurethane or acrylic caulk.

Judging from some of the answers i got, i doubt that they know what they use. Its like hit and miss with buying some stuff and it might work or might not. Seems not many care about the properties of a product and if its suitable.
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Re: ChipQuik - A joke, or actual a useful product?
« Reply #46 on: May 17, 2023, 07:19:44 am »
"Do not use on marble. limestone. brass, copper, magnesium, iron

Those disolve or corrode when coming into contact with acid.
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Re: ChipQuik - A joke, or actual a useful product?
« Reply #47 on: May 18, 2023, 07:09:12 pm »
Judging from some of the answers i got, i doubt that they know what they use. Its like hit and miss with buying some stuff and it might work or might not. Seems not many care about the properties of a product and if its suitable.

I told you precisely what I use, GE clear silicone caulk. If you doubt that I know what I use then it's because you didn't bother to read what I wrote. I have used it for many years and found it to be suitable for use with electronics, as in small dabs to add support to components or a bit of insulation over high voltage terminals. I would not use it as potting compound and have never suggested that. Nor would I use it in inside a sealed enclosure without allowing it to cure first.

This is the stuff. https://www.homedepot.com/p/GE-Silicone-1-Clear-All-Purpose-Sealant-10-1-oz-2795576/317741904
 

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Re: ChipQuik - A joke, or actual a useful product?
« Reply #48 on: May 18, 2023, 09:42:39 pm »
I have seen corrosion on items where acetoxy (acetic) cure silicone was used, but no issue when neutral cure was used.
 

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Re: ChipQuik - A joke, or actual a useful product?
« Reply #49 on: May 18, 2023, 09:46:59 pm »
Well that’s certainly not correct. Most hardware store silicone is the acetoxy cure type, which releases acetic acid (vinegar) when curing. This will cause corrosion of electronic components, so must not be used. There are “neutral cure” types at the hardware store, but that’s still no guarantee they’re compatible with electronics due to other additives.

I see people parroting this often, but I use regular acidic silicone on electronics all the time and have for decades, I've never had it cause corrosion that I can recall. YMMV but it has always worked for me.

It certainly doesn't cost "pennies per bucket" though, the last time I bought some it was over 10 bucks for the sort of tube that goes in a caulking gun.
I once tried it on bare copper, then torn it off after it cured and got green corrosion underneath.
 
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