ChipQuik - A joke, or actual a useful product?

[eTobey]

I found this Silicone:
http://www.chipquik.com/store/product_info.php?products_id=495011

The description is at one point so useless, that i doubt, that this product is useable at all.

Highlighting materials that never appear in electronics, but at the same time putting those materials that are often used in electronics and that have also some major differences in their adhesion properties into one word?

I would not mind is this product would have been pretty cheap...

Anyone knows a good source of what glue to use for different tasks and where to get it for electronics?

[ebastler]

Not sure what your problem is with this product. Silicone sticks to different materials; some of them are commonly used in electronics, some are not. So what?

Whether the Chipquick stuff is much better than the silicone you can buy at the local DIY store, I don't know. But I don't have reason to doubt the claims in the product description.

[jpanhalt]

If you want a label for a neutral cure silicone specially made for your electronic product, 3M can probably do that for you: https://www.3m.com/3M/en_US/company-us/about-3m/research-development/

[tooki]

I found this Silicone:
http://www.chipquik.com/store/product_info.php?products_id=495011

The description is at one point so useless, that i doubt, that this product is useable at all.

Highlighting materials that never appear in electronics, but at the same time putting those materials that are often used in electronics and that have also some major differences in their adhesion properties into one word?

I would not mind is this product would have been pretty cheap...

Anyone knows a good source of what glue to use for different tasks and where to get it for electronics?

If you look at the product category, you’ll see that it consists of two products: one electronics grade silicone that’s expressly safe for electronics, and this one, the industrial grade silicone, which “bonds to a wider variety of substances”.

So… maybe instead of instant outrage, you might try looking at context in the future, as it often provides the information you need.

(Though I freely admit that as a company, chipquik sucks at product descriptions. For example, good luck figuring out why you should choose a particular one of their many soldering fluxes over another one with practically identical specs and description. And no, they didn’t respond to my email when I asked…)

[thm_w]

It looks like the only difference between the chipquik electronics and industrial grade, is the viscosity:

Viscosity: 10.9 x 10^3 mPa.s (Malcom @ 10 RPM/25C) industrial self leveling
Viscosity: 22.4 x 10^3 mPa.s (Malcom @ 10 RPM/25C) electronics self leveling

Then the regular "electronics" grade stuff they don't even give you the viscosity of it.

[T3sl4co1l]

If you want a label for a neutral cure silicone specially made for your electronic product, 3M can probably do that for you: https://www.3m.com/3M/en_US/company-us/about-3m/research-development/

Oooh, subtle. I like it.

Tim

[coppercone2]

did you ever use it? Its like measuring the viscosity of a jello cup. Not sure how useful it is for a company to recreate the pitch drop experiment.

The product is great btw

[james_s]

ChipQuik is a brand, most known for their low melting point solder alloys that are used to make rework easier. This product is a neutral cure silicone that is safe to use on electronics, I see nothing to suggest it isn't a good product.

[ddavidebor]

ChipQuik stuff is all great! All a bit pricey, but excellent quality.

[strawberry]

hardware store silicone cost penies per bucket and no difference in properties
used grey hard rubbery type silicone, sticks to any surface
'electronics' silicone might be weaker so its possible to get it off
there is HV breakdown silicone and price would be reasonable then

[tooki]

It looks like the only difference between the chipquik electronics and industrial grade, is the viscosity:

Viscosity: 10.9 x 10^3 mPa.s (Malcom @ 10 RPM/25C) industrial self leveling
Viscosity: 22.4 x 10^3 mPa.s (Malcom @ 10 RPM/25C) electronics self leveling

Then the regular "electronics" grade stuff they don't even give you the viscosity of it.

The fact that they explicitly state that the industrial one bonds with more materials makes me think it’s not just the viscosity that’s different.

[tooki]

hardware store silicone cost penies per bucket and no difference in properties
used grey hard rubbery type silicone, sticks to any surface
'electronics' silicone might be weaker so its possible to get it off
there is HV breakdown silicone and price would be reasonable then

Well that’s certainly not correct. Most hardware store silicone is the acetoxy cure type, which releases acetic acid (vinegar) when curing. This will cause corrosion of electronic components, so must not be used. There are “neutral cure” types at the hardware store, but that’s still no guarantee they’re compatible with electronics due to other additives.

[ddavidebor]

hardware store silicone cost penies per bucket and no difference in properties
used grey hard rubbery type silicone, sticks to any surface
'electronics' silicone might be weaker so its possible to get it off
there is HV breakdown silicone and price would be reasonable then

Don't spread nonsense please. Most hardware store silicone is corrosive to many metals.

[Psi]

ChipQuik as a brand I've always been a bit weary of, because I had issue with their solder paste.

But i've used the black and white electronic silicone (from digikey) and never had any problems with it.

[strawberry]

hardware store silicone cost penies per bucket and no difference in properties
used grey hard rubbery type silicone, sticks to any surface
'electronics' silicone might be weaker so its possible to get it off
there is HV breakdown silicone and price would be reasonable then

Don't spread nonsense please. Most hardware store silicone is corrosive to many metals.

read label.  ChipQuik = 20g/9usd = 1g/0.45usd    regular RTV = 300g/16usd = 1g/0.053usd   not included tube loss

[coppercone2]

lol, and you are lucky to be able to use a tube of chip quick before it dries up wheras the store silicone its not possible to use until it dries up unless your are installing bath tubs, its hardly relevant IMO

[eTobey]

ChipQuik as a brand I've always been a bit weary of, because I had issue with their solder paste.

But i've used the black and white electronic silicone (from digikey) and never had any problems with it.

You just had me going and look what brand that rubbish solder is, i have recenty used. It is almost as bad as the worst i ever had. Its brand is: CHIPQUIK lol! (RASW.020 2OZ).

What silicone did you use? How does it adhere to other meterials?

[SiliconWizard]

ChipQuik stuff is all great! All a bit pricey, but excellent quality.

I've only used their various fluxes so far, and they are all great. Can't comment about the rest of their products.

[rdl]

I once insulated some mains AC traces on a pcb with "vinegar smell during cure" type silicone. Pulled it off many years later and the copper traces underneath were still shiny. And I've used plenty of it over the years for many things and have never seen any evidence for corrosion. I remain unconviced it's a problem.

[T3sl4co1l]

I saw one board someone tried potting with the stuff. It was covered in white and green crusty deposits. The solder and copper were practically gone.

It's entirely possible that a small amount, on clean metal, in open air, cures fast enough not to cause visible corrosion.  The surface oxide on the metal absolutely will have reacted and become acetate. Whether that's a problem for future corrosion, given humidity or condensation, I don't know.

Tim

[Psi]

ChipQuik as a brand I've always been a bit weary of, because I had issue with their solder paste.

But i've used the black and white electronic silicone (from digikey) and never had any problems with it.

You just had me going and look what brand that rubbish solder is, i have recenty used. It is almost as bad as the worst i ever had. Its brand is: CHIPQUIK lol! (RASW.020 2OZ).

What silicone did you use? How does it adhere to other meterials?

I wasn't using it as an adhesive, I was adding blobs between TH parts to other nearby parts to prevent any vibration.

[David_AVD]

Don't spread nonsense please. Most hardware store silicone is corrosive to many metals.

It must vary a lot depending on the region. In Australia, neutral cure silicone is super common and imo the most stocked type in a hardware store.

[eTobey]

I wasn't using it as an adhesive, I was adding blobs between TH parts to other nearby parts to prevent any vibration.

I did not ask for using it as an adhesive, i was asking about the property of how good it will stick to other materials (called adhesion).

[ebastler]

I wasn't using it as an adhesive, I was adding blobs between TH parts to other nearby parts to prevent any vibration.

I did not ask for using it as an adhesive, i was asking about the property of how good it will stick to other materials (called adhesion).

And Psi explained to you that he did not really evaluate the adhesion strength, since it was not relevant in his application. (Where the silicone blobs are jammed in between the through-hole parts.)

[eTobey]

And Psi explained to you that he did not really evaluate the adhesion strength, since it was not relevant in his application. (Where the silicone blobs are jammed in between the through-hole parts.)

I didnt ask you anything about that....