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General => General Technical Chat => Topic started by: Christe4nM on May 24, 2014, 05:05:39 pm
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You might've seen Chris wearing this T-shirt here (https://twitter.com/pdp7/status/468254113445052416/photo/1). He's made it available through Teespring (http://teespring.com/autorouter). I think it's a great one and sometimes you just have to let your nerd out, so I've ordered.
(http://images.teespring.com/shirt_pic/898951/141618/front.jpg?v=2014-05-24-02-43)
edit: typo
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nice idea, but I don't like the shirt. the point could have been made better with a simpler, less busy graphic and still have been funny.
that just looks like a mess, which I realize is sort of the point, but still ...
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You might've seen Chris wearing this T-shirt here (https://twitter.com/pdp7/status/468254113445052416/photo/1). He's made is available through Teespring (http://teespring.com/autorouter). I think it's a great one and sometimes you just have to let your nerd out, so I've ordered.
(http://images.teespring.com/shirt_pic/898951/141618/front.jpg?v=2014-05-24-02-43)
Could have on the back a nice manual routing of the same board.
BTW, I am happy with Eagle's auto router.
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I like it. And it is true to a point. Generally I don't use autorouters, but sometimes I do autoroute small areas of a PCB when it gets tricky... Sort of like hints in a game of chess. The aim is to limit the numbers of visa or track lengths and to save time. Always of course go back and review the results.
Not long ago we got a PCB back and two internal nets had a short. Track to a pad. The spacing had violated the rules, but Altium had not detected it with the DRC! I can only conclude it was a bug in Altium. There was nothing wrong with the rules. User beware. Fortunately it was only a prototype PCB and drilling a tiny hole fixed it.
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The text and graphics are a bit 'in ya face' and could be smaller, but i like the idea. As well as having a hand routed version on the back.
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The trouble with now needing glasses for close-up work, reading, etc, is that I can't wear t-shirts that don't have a pocket. One of those little surprises that getting old springs on us.
Shouldn't that t-shirt be green?
Also, looks like he trusted the auto component place a bit too much as well.
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I agree he could have made a much simpler version to get the point across, I have ordered one but I already dread explaining it to the people at work (none of which know anything about electronics). A simple auto vs. manual of something simple like a 555 organ or something would have gotten the point across much clearer to people who don't get the joke. :D
Despite it not being "PCB green", I like the colour.
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I agree he could have made a much simpler version to get the point across.
+1
I spent a few years developing auto routing algorithms. One simple test case we often used is this one:
(http://i.imgur.com/yRKIBUw.jpg)
Conventional one-layer-at-the time greedy algorithms had difficulty finding the wire length wise optimal solution (above). For example, they ended up with something like the one below, and if A, E, D, F were on the routing boundary, they could not find a planar solution at all (e.g. if you make a greedy route of A-B and C-D, you have no clearance to route E-F between B and C).
(http://i.imgur.com/irIXySa.jpg)
Probably not the most intuitive example of bad auto routing but the shirt could have something simple along these lines.
BTW, I love the eagle auto router. I route manually the critical nets and let it does the rest of the work and when lazy I don't even clean up for aesthetic.
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zapta: you're hired. please re-do the shirt with your ideas and let us know when its buyable ;)
(seriously)
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zapta: you're hired. please re-do the shirt with your ideas and let us know when its buyable ;)
(seriously)
My graphic design skills are non exist ;- but here is it how eagle handle this problem. Would be interesting to see what other auto routers do
Manual routing:
(http://i.imgur.com/oyO934d.png)
Eagle auto router:
(http://i.imgur.com/QS0HVuy.png)
A topological router like this one has better chance of finding the optimal solution http://www.ssalewski.de/Router.html.en (http://www.ssalewski.de/Router.html.en) (A very impressive site BTW. I don't know that person).
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I keep wondering: does the BenchBudEE fail if you autoroute it. If it's proven to fail, I'm going to order that shirt.