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Fred27:
A company called Better Place tried (and failed) with the battery swap thing many years ago, Perhaps it was too soon for the idea.

There is a bit more potential for urban electric scooters/mopeds which don't need such a large battery pack, and occasional rumours of manufacturers standardizing on a physical battery pack format.

BrokenYugo:

--- Quote from: kripton2035 on March 06, 2024, 08:43:13 pm ---seems it greatly depends on the car brand ...
https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/scratched-ev-battery-your-insurer-may-have-junk-whole-car-2023-03-20/

--- End quote ---

Sounds more like a combination of the "just copy the hip trendy one and call it a day" design practices, lack of service data, and general automotive cheapassery than an actual issue with the tech. Anything delicate under a car exposed to the road will be damaged eventually, anyone who works on or builds cars knows that, but Tesla did it and it cheapens assembly, so everyone else does it.

Makes far more sense to me to have a more traditional unibody car shell with a steel floor pan at the lowest point, then load in and wire up a battery pack in 2-4 pieces bolted ABOVE the floor structure (should be air gap between the skin and battery skin to allow for dents), then the cabin floor and interior above the layer of batteries, but that's slightly more materials and assembly work than just bolting a big glued together throwaway assembly straight to the bottom, so that's what happens.

Siwastaja:
Also just remember that media lives off clickbaits and controversy. Same media outlet can alternatively do strongly opinionated pro-EV and anti-EV news articles and provide many times the clicks compared to how boring it was if they stayed truthful.

Facts are:
All EVs have some cover on the underside of the battery pack. Some worse, some better.
A "scratch" won't cause any EV battery to become write off. It has to be more than a "scratch". An actual dent, deformation.
Most EV batteries can be repaired if damage is small.
Most EV batteries can be replaced.
Most EV batteries have aftermarket even after damage.
Complete write-off due to simple damage from small road debris is very rare.

There are many grains of truth in articles like published by Reuters, and I applaud the critique which is deserved, but these articles are written in very exaggerating and misleading ways to create controversy, which creates money.

Bud:

--- Quote from: Siwastaja on March 06, 2024, 08:00:43 pm ---
--- Quote from: kripton2035 on March 06, 2024, 06:36:19 pm ---if the bump touches the battery pack, yes it's almost certainly to the trash ...
the repair will cost more than the car.

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For example, Nissan Leaf 40kWh model,
cost of car: 30000€
cost of brand new battery pack + install work at Nissan: 8000-9000€, so around 1/3rd of the cost of the car
cost of refurbished battery pack + selling the damaged pack for modules at 3rd party: 3000-4000€, so around 1/10th of the cost of the car

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Tell it to this guy

https://vancouver.citynews.ca/2023/12/11/hyundai-ev-battery-icbc-cost/

Bud:
Incompetence of who? Hyundai Canada was involved and even with the case being broadcast on national TV, all Hyundai could do is offer the guy a tiny discount if he buys a new vehicle ftom them. Very far from "battery only cost 10% of the car" somebody said here.

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