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Citroen Ami E hackable you bet it is
vk6zgo:
--- Quote from: Bud on March 13, 2024, 02:39:46 am ---
--- Quote from: Siwastaja on March 06, 2024, 08:00:43 pm ---
--- Quote from: kripton2035 on March 06, 2024, 06:36:19 pm ---if the bump touches the battery pack, yes it's almost certainly to the trash ...
the repair will cost more than the car.
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For example, Nissan Leaf 40kWh model,
cost of car: 30000€
cost of brand new battery pack + install work at Nissan: 8000-9000€, so around 1/3rd of the cost of the car
cost of refurbished battery pack + selling the damaged pack for modules at 3rd party: 3000-4000€, so around 1/10th of the cost of the car
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Tell it to this guy
https://vancouver.citynews.ca/2023/12/11/hyundai-ev-battery-icbc-cost/
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It's a Hyundai---that's why!
My daughter bought a Hyundai Accent. (I.C. car)
Nice car till the engine blew up.
She then had to wait for months for warranty repair to be completed, (the beginning of a degree of discontentment with the brand).
A while later, she was in the middle of a 5 car pile up.
The Accent "didn't look that bad", but was a "write off".
OK, it was replaced with a new Accent, so she was happy enough, but a year later an old bloke plowed into her as she was entering our local street.
Again, the car "didn't look that bad", but it was also a "write off".
This time the insurance company paid her out, so she bought a Toyota Corolla.
Some time later, she was butted from behind by a bus.
The Corolla "didn't look that bad" & was drivable!
She put off getting it repaired for a while, then whilst she was turning into our driveway, a lady in a Holden Commodore drove into the LH rear of the car. (yes, she IS unlucky)
It looked much worse than either Hyundai had, but it has been repaired.
It seems that for some brands of car, the default is "write-off".
Siwastaja:
--- Quote from: quince on March 13, 2024, 07:05:04 pm ---Hyundai is incompetent
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Assuming the case described in the article is true: they are not necessarily incompetent, just run shitty business politics. Depending on country, this would be likely an easy win with consumer protection authorities or in court, but not everyone goes that far, and then refusing a warranty repair only costs a dent in reputation and many companies simply do not care about their reputation.
Again it depends on country, but whenever the term "warranty" is used it's a pretty strong consumer protection thing, specifically in EU. It roughly means reversal of the burden of proof. The manufacturer would need to make a strong case against the consumer to show the failure is consumer's fault. Don't know about Canada, though, probably different story.
Bullshit like this happens. There is no evidence, anecdotal or hard, that this is somehow more prevalent in EVs. Internal combustion engines have a lot of similar stories of self-destruction and very expensive engine replacements. And cars in general, some manufacturers think that a relatively small body damage is a total write-off.
It is also well possible the story, which only tells one side, is highly biased. Ridiculously high prices are just a way of saying "go away" without literally saying go away. There might be reasons why they do this that we don't know about.
Bud:
--- Quote from: quince on March 13, 2024, 07:05:04 pm ---A guy like RichRebuilds can just epoxy a new gland on and get it working like that.
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Please dont make people laugh. We are talking oficcial assessments of the vehicle being road worthy in an urban environment and highways, not DIY patches applied to a tractor that rides at a private farm. Run your RichRebuilds by your auto insurance and see what they say.
langwadt:
--- Quote from: Bud on March 13, 2024, 09:01:44 pm ---
--- Quote from: quince on March 13, 2024, 07:05:04 pm ---A guy like RichRebuilds can just epoxy a new gland on and get it working like that.
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Please dont make people laugh. We are talking oficcial assessments of the vehicle being road worthy in an urban environment and highways, not DIY patches applied to a tractor that rides at a private farm. Run your RichRebuilds by your auto insurance and see what they say.
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hyperbole much? ICE car get repairs like that and aftermarket parts all the time, why would EVs be so special?
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