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Is it just me, or do you find this website hard to follow?

https://www.chibiakumas.com/6502/platform.php#LessonP1

I find my eyes not knowing what to look at first, and it's SO distracting! I am sure he knows his ASM very well, but perhaps he's not so hot at web design...
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Re: Cluttered websites, too many fonts/colours and generall over-"busy"
« Reply #1 on: September 03, 2020, 10:05:00 pm »
Is it just me, or do you find this website hard to follow?

https://www.chibiakumas.com/6502/platform.php#LessonP1

I find my eyes not knowing what to look at first, and it's SO distracting! I am sure he knows his ASM very well, but perhaps he's not so hot at web design...

Please try this one:

https://www.chibiakumas.com/6502/platform.php?theme=print&noui=1

It does look not pretty terrible, but the other theme(s) seem to look a lot better. But, it does let you change the theme, see above.
« Last Edit: September 03, 2020, 10:09:41 pm by MK14 »
 
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Re: Cluttered websites, too many fonts/colours and generall over-"busy"
« Reply #2 on: September 03, 2020, 10:05:24 pm »
No it’s not you, the site is awful to look at, would give me a migraine if I stayed on it

Edit: the above link by MK14 is fine.
« Last Edit: September 03, 2020, 10:07:21 pm by HobGoblyn »
 
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Re: Cluttered websites, too many fonts/colours and generall over-"busy"
« Reply #3 on: September 03, 2020, 10:06:31 pm »
Is it just me, or do you find this website hard to follow?

https://www.chibiakumas.com/6502/platform.php#LessonP1

I find my eyes not knowing what to look at first, and it's SO distracting! I am sure he knows his ASM very well, but perhaps he's not so hot at web design...

Please try this one:

https://www.chibiakumas.com/6502/platform.php?theme=print&noui=1

Thank you, now I have a still cluttered site to decypher, only with milder colours  ;D
 
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Re: Cluttered websites, too many fonts/colours and generall over-"busy"
« Reply #4 on: September 03, 2020, 10:11:00 pm »
No it’s not you, the site is awful to look at, would give me a migraine if I stayed on it

One can see why Apple have back-end teams for code, designers for designs, and engineers for engineering, eh! I think some are simply "design blind"; it's counter-productive to simply spew out your musings into a high-contrast jumbled mess, rather than not share them at all, as it just one more barrier to getting the code learnt! Good design is hard to get right, and I don't expect perfection, but it would be nice not to leave MORE confused than when you arrived, esp when learning a subject which is pretty intense/confusing as it IS:

Dieter Rams has some words about design
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According to Dieter Rams, good design:

Is innovative
Makes a product useful
Is aesthetic
Makes a product understandable
Is unobtrusive
Is honest
Is long-lasting
Is thorough down to the last detail
Is environmentally friendly
Involves as little design as possible
 
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Re: Cluttered websites, too many fonts/colours and generall over-"busy"
« Reply #5 on: September 03, 2020, 10:11:17 pm »
 :palm:

I don’t care how good the content might be, I cannot and will not torture myself to view crap like that. That is what a website on LSD looks like.

I damn near got fired from a job when the boss insisted my industrial machine control Windows UI was too drab and dull. I printed out all of the graphics pages in black and white and and gave them to the boss with a brand new box of 64 colors of crayons and asked him to please show me what he would like the pages to look like with color. He didn’t think it was funny. Not only didn’t he understand UI, he had no sense of humor either.
 
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Re: Cluttered websites, too many fonts/colours and generall over-"busy"
« Reply #6 on: September 03, 2020, 10:20:02 pm »
:palm:

I don’t care how good the content might be, I cannot and will not torture myself to view crap like that. That is what a website on LSD looks like.

I damn near got fired from a job when the boss insisted my industrial machine control Windows UI was too drab and dull. I printed out all of the graphics pages in black and white and and gave them to the boss with a brand new box of 64 colors of crayons and asked him to please show me what he would like the pages to look like with color. He didn’t think it was funny. Not only didn’t he understand UI, he had no sense of humor either.

I am holding back, because I don't want to come across as mean, overly critical or nasty; I value the work put in, I just don't see it as usable.
 

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Re: Cluttered websites, too many fonts/colours and generally over-"busy"
« Reply #7 on: September 03, 2020, 11:51:19 pm »
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Is it just me, or do you find this website hard to follow?

It has a BBC Micro feel to it.. 

http://www.bbcmicro.co.uk/gameimg/screenshots/3472/Disc999-SIGMAExperiment.png
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Re: Cluttered websites, too many fonts/colours and generally over-"busy"
« Reply #8 on: September 04, 2020, 12:01:32 am »
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Is it just me, or do you find this website hard to follow?

It has a BBC Micro feel to it.. 

http://www.bbcmicro.co.uk/gameimg/screenshots/3472/Disc999-SIGMAExperiment.png

The only point of similarity is bright colours on a black background; that's where the similarity ends. The image you've shown is neat and orderly, CLEAR and easy to parse.
 

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Re: Cluttered websites, too many fonts/colours and generally over-"busy"
« Reply #9 on: September 04, 2020, 02:31:27 am »
Is it just me, or do you find this website hard to follow?

https://www.chibiakumas.com/6502/platform.php#LessonP1

I find my eyes not knowing what to look at first, and it's SO distracting! I am sure he knows his ASM very well, but perhaps he's not so hot at web design...

A bit like a Rigol 'scope UI. ;D
 

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Re: Cluttered websites, too many fonts/colours and generally over-"busy"
« Reply #10 on: September 04, 2020, 02:37:17 am »
Is it just me, or do you find this website

It is you. The site is about programming on retro computers. The theme seems to be inline with the content. How old are you, in 90-s every other site looked like that.
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Re: Cluttered websites, too many fonts/colours and generally over-"busy"
« Reply #11 on: September 04, 2020, 04:50:09 am »
Is it just me, or do you find this website

It is you. The site is about programming on retro computers. The theme seems to be inline with the content. How old are you, in 90-s every other site looked like that.

Well clearly it's not JUST me, based on the other thread replies. No, not "all" sites looked this way in the 90s; I was there, and I'm 45.
 

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Re: Cluttered websites, too many fonts/colours and generally over-"busy"
« Reply #12 on: September 04, 2020, 05:51:17 am »
The webpage is about old 8-bit computers and their graphics of the era ... hence the retro look and 8 colour palette. The webpage does not bother me, it's packed with content and well organized, which is more important to me than looks. Yeah the red text font is a bit meh. This is like complaining about Minecraft's graphic resolution being too chunky.
 

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Re: Cluttered websites, too many fonts/colours and generally over-"busy"
« Reply #13 on: September 04, 2020, 06:07:04 am »
The entire webpage is loaded in 800 ms. Impressive these days.
 

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Re: Cluttered websites, too many fonts/colours and generally over-"busy"
« Reply #14 on: September 04, 2020, 06:39:28 am »
The webpage is about old 8-bit computers and their graphics of the era ... hence the retro look and 8 colour palette. The webpage does not bother me, it's packed with content and well organized, which is more important to me than looks. Yeah the red text font is a bit meh. This is like complaining about Minecraft's graphic resolution being too chunky.

"Well organised"  :-DD

It has no need to "look like" anything, except for a clear and legiblle site that teaches one how to program the machines which had no other alternative BUT to look that way (albeit in a far more legible, minimalist and clear manner).

I'm talking to a brick wall here. Engineers with an engineering mindset are notorious for being "design blind" when it comes to human interfacing, layout, typography, ease of navigation etc. This epidemic is made worse by the oft-adopted, insular opinions of the "stupid users!" kind, based on assumptions that, just because the person who "designed" said mechanism, understands it inside out, then everyone should, else "stupid users!"

No, the majority of human beings can read a book, and plain text with high contrast. The redundant, distracting, frivolus embellishments DETRACT from the very purpose this website sets out to achieve.

If you watch the guy's YouTube videos, an equal lack of attention is paid to how clear the published tutorials are for the viewer. We see the ghastly website in the background, his webcam streaming as a floating box AND a terminal into which he's typing... and he's made the common error of leaving the terminal font size at default scale, or near enough.

Just because one knows a subject inside out, doesn't automatically qualify them as a competent teacher.
 
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Re: Cluttered websites, too many fonts/colours and generally over-"busy"
« Reply #15 on: September 04, 2020, 07:00:31 am »
The entire webpage is loaded in 800 ms. Impressive these days.

I'd rather wait 8 seconds for a simple, aesthetically calm page, and be able to learn the subject matter, and leave with no eye strain!
 

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Re: Cluttered websites, too many fonts/colours and generally over-"busy"
« Reply #16 on: September 04, 2020, 09:50:07 am »
The entire webpage is loaded in 800 ms. Impressive these days.

Yep. And then it gets closed within another 800 ms.  :P
 
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Re: Cluttered websites, too many fonts/colours and generally over-"busy"
« Reply #17 on: September 04, 2020, 10:53:22 am »
Yeah sure that website looks terrible.

In contrast but just as terrible are those large corporate websites.

Examples:
https://global.abb/group/en
https://www.henkel.com/

They don't suck in appearance but in content. I've tried to use those websites to find some info on one of their products. 9 out of 10 cases when you enter their product number you don't get any results. The content that is there is all those awful vague marketing bla bla.
goto considered awesome!
 

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Re: Cluttered websites, too many fonts/colours and generally over-"busy"
« Reply #18 on: September 04, 2020, 10:53:51 am »
in my opinion its not just cluttered websites but too much advertising on any given website.
visit some websites, you get hit with one or two media players trying to load plus pop ups , last but not least cookies
this is why my browser needs a good cleaning to remove the crumbs from many websites.
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Re: Cluttered websites, too many fonts/colours and generally over-"busy"
« Reply #19 on: September 04, 2020, 11:19:46 am »
It's a fairly good representation of what was considered horrible back some 25-35 years ago, mostly of what "BBS kiddies" like myself were doing while still kids. More professional standard was a lot better.

Sadly, today, the level of professional standard has lowered while the "kiddie" standard has risen, and they have almost met.

I still prefer this horrible piece of shit over the modern equivalent. At least it's a static page. You could make the content appear and disappear and jump around randomly to modernize the experience.
 

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Re: Cluttered websites, too many fonts/colours and generally over-"busy"
« Reply #20 on: September 04, 2020, 11:21:58 am »
Content was displayed with JavaScript turned off and cookies disabled.  :-+
 

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Re: Cluttered websites, too many fonts/colours and generally over-"busy"
« Reply #21 on: September 04, 2020, 11:37:11 am »
Some of the contents, on that website is amazing though, a working PDP11/70 (and at least one other model, PDP11/45). Not only is it fully working, with big, flashing Leds/Bulbs and switches, which are movable and work.
But it can load real life software, such as the Basic, and you can then run Basic programs (I believe, because it is a bit tricky to know how to use it).
See here:

https://skn.noip.me/pdp11/pdp11.html

EDIT: To get Basic running:
At boot prompt, type in ...
boot rp2
31-OCT-86                                 ... Takes time to respond
11:12                                          ... Time ?
yes                                             ... <YES> ?
yes                                             ... <YES> ?
<Return Key, after it stops displaying more stuff>
11,70                                          .... USER
switch basic                               .... $ prompt should be showing, then after next <Return> Should now say "Ready"

10 print "Hello World!"
20 goto 10
run
control + C                                  .... To stop




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Re: Cluttered websites, too many fonts/colours and generally over-"busy"
« Reply #22 on: September 04, 2020, 12:00:49 pm »
Go use Microsoft's Sharepoint and Teams and you will never complain again. Nicknamed Scarepoint and Screams.

Not overly busy, just woefully unintuitive. Screams works OK under the hood and is great for project teams chatting in place of email, but the usability and intuitiveness of Scarepoint is not much better than Steven Job's idiotic iTunes. iTunes has gone to the grave along with Jobs, both never to be resurrected and soon will be forgotten. Unless Microsoft overhauls Scarepoint, it will go the same way, probably before Gates has kicked the bucket. Microsoft's One Drive is also a piece of crap.

This "Where Do You Want to Go Today?" mentality usually ends up in failure.
 

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« Reply #23 on: September 04, 2020, 12:40:21 pm »
Digikey's website is cluttered and busy, but it works a treat. Only thing missing is hierarchical sorting such as availability and then price. That would be wonderful. But overall, they got it right. Mouser is OK, but a bit of a poor cousin to Digikey with their website. RS Components website is shocker and to a less extent Element 14.

A respected electronics company named Altronics in Australia suffers because their website search is soooo slowwwwww. They must be hosting it from the Simpson Desert with a 300 baud fax modem tied to a CB radio operating on lower side band. Their competitor Jaycar is a much faster, but since they ripped off the inventor of the Arduino Experimenter's Kit, I avoid them like the plague; preferring Rockby or Altronics as local suppliers of choice despite their website shortcomings.

Most of the Japanese component websites are poorly maintained and are missing data. Some of their datasheets lack critical information. There are exceptions of course. Almost all Chinese websites are pretty much a waste of time, except maybe PCB Way. Most of these manufacturers have no idea that a well designed and informative website that provides value-add will help their marketing enormously. China has a long way to go.

Texas Instruments has one of the best websites around, especially with their Webench.... 10/10 for them. TI Direct is a big bonus!
 

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Re: Cluttered websites, too many fonts/colours and generally over-"busy"
« Reply #24 on: September 04, 2020, 12:44:09 pm »
Yeah sure that website looks terrible.

In contrast but just as terrible are those large corporate websites.

Examples:
https://global.abb/group/en
https://www.henkel.com/

They don't suck in appearance but in content. I've tried to use those websites to find some info on one of their products. 9 out of 10 cases when you enter their product number you don't get any results. The content that is there is all those awful vague marketing bla bla.

You forgot www.ibm.com. Full of marketing verbal diarrhoea, severely lacking in content.
 


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