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tooki:
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--- Quote from: tooki on December 28, 2020, 07:22:07 pm ---https://www.choice.com.au/home-and-living/kitchen/dishwashers/articles/dishwasher-vs-washing-by-hand
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1470-6431.2010.00973.x
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I can see the point about wasting loads of water, whilst waiting for it to warm up, hence why I use cold.
I strongly disagree with not rinsing. Read the label on a detergent bottle and note the ingredients and safety warnings: it's not something you want to be eating. Fair enough, in small quantities it'll do no harm, but I use it very concentrated, with minimal water, so rinsing is mandatory, otherwise I'd taste it and what about other residues such as raw meat and blood? No way will I eat that!
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Oh god yes. No f••king way I would just wipe off the soapy water! I am very persnickety about my dishes being perfectly clean, and a film of food residue and soap, no matter how dilute, just grosses me out. (And I think you're absolutely right about it being problematic if it contains e.g. raw chicken juice.)
--- Quote from: Zero999 on December 28, 2020, 10:00:03 pm ---As far as waiting for the dishes to pile up, or using a bucket is concerned: that wouldn't save me any water, because I never fill the sink or use the plug. I just wet the dishes, so use the same amount of water, per dish, irrespective of the quantity.
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Which is fundamentally not a particularly water- and energy-efficient way to wash. (But it's how I do my handwashing, too.)
--- Quote from: Zero999 on December 28, 2020, 10:00:03 pm ---I'm not bothered about saving water, because I live in an area with relatively high rainfall and drought is rare. Saving energy is more important. My energy bills are low. I have my central heating thermostat set to 15oC, when I'm up and 10oC, when I'm out/asleep. I normally take cold showers and wash my hands cold. I live on my own. I've realised it takes so long to run the water hot, by the time it's warm, my hands are already clean, so I just use cold and my skin is better for it too.
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I also don't worry about the volume of water per se; when I was a teen here, they actually taught us we needed to run a bit more water because people were using so little, the sewers didn't always have sufficient flow!
I'm fortunate to live in a building with exceptionally good hot water — it always comes out of the tap hot within 3-4 seconds. According to a friend of mine who's a plumbing engineer, that's accomplished by using recirculating pumps that keep the water in the pipes hot (also necessitating a closed-loop system, rather than a branched one). Apparently, while costlier to install, it's both nicer and saves energy (contrary to what my intuition would tell me).
--- Quote from: Zero999 on December 28, 2020, 10:00:03 pm ---I'd definitely use more energy/water if I had a dishwasher. Modern dishwashers which try to save water are pretty crappy. My mum has one and she finds she has to soak the dishes before running it, otherwise it leaves a residue, so she probably uses more water than just doing them in the sink. It's worse because there's only two of them in the house, so the dishes piles up and the food dries hard, making it more difficult to wash. This is a classic example of regulation failure. Another is water saving toilets which require more than one flush and have a crappy siphon which ends up leaking, after a few years.
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Absolutely not true any more. Manufacturers' first generation or two of lower-energy products seem to invariably suck, but they then figure it out. My Bosch dishwasher does just fine without using bathtubs of water (and I live alone, so my dishes take a while to pile up!), and so does my toilet, which flushes with more gusto than the water-guzzling old-style toilets my apartments in USA had.
Just as I said regarding the gas cans: don't blame the laws on crappy manufacturers who don't manage to make good products. At least not when other manufacturers exist who prove that compliant products can be good performers, efficient, and affordable, all at the same time.
Ed.Kloonk:
Any of you who fully understand the consuption of beer from the glass will understand the sacrilege of not rinsing out the detergent.
tooki:
--- Quote from: Ed.Kloonk on December 29, 2020, 12:18:22 am ---Any of you who fully understand the consuption of beer from the glass will understand the sacrilege of not rinsing out the detergent.
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Some Miele dishwashers have a mode specifically for drinking glasses that rinses extra well and doesn't use rinse aid, so as to ensure proper beer results! (Not surprising from a German appliance maker. :D )
Zero999:
--- Quote from: Ed.Kloonk on December 29, 2020, 12:18:22 am ---Any of you who fully understand the consuption of beer from the glass will understand the sacrilege of not rinsing out the detergent.
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I don't touch alcohol, nasty stuff, so no, I don't understand what you mean with that comment.
--- Quote from: tooki on December 29, 2020, 12:13:59 am ---
--- Quote from: Zero999 on December 28, 2020, 10:00:03 pm ---I'd definitely use more energy/water if I had a dishwasher. Modern dishwashers which try to save water are pretty crappy. My mum has one and she finds she has to soak the dishes before running it, otherwise it leaves a residue, so she probably uses more water than just doing them in the sink. It's worse because there's only two of them in the house, so the dishes piles up and the food dries hard, making it more difficult to wash. This is a classic example of regulation failure. Another is water saving toilets which require more than one flush and have a crappy siphon which ends up leaking, after a few years.
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Absolutely not true any more. Manufacturers' first generation or two of lower-energy products seem to invariably suck, but they then figure it out. My Bosch dishwasher does just fine without using bathtubs of water (and I live alone, so my dishes take a while to pile up!), and so does my toilet, which flushes with more gusto than the water-guzzling old-style toilets my apartments in USA had.
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Does it wash cold? If not, I doubt it. Most of the energy consumption in washing dishes is heating the water. I might use more water, but because it's cold, save of the odd item I need hot, I'll use less energy than any dishwasher which heats it up to 50oC.
Regarding the toilet: do you live at the top of a block of flats, with a long drop sewage pipe, by any chance? That makes a big difference. I live in a two story house, in a flat area. Both toilets are pretty crappy, but the one on the ground floor is the worse, of the two. My house is relatively new: April 2016.
rsjsouza:
In the apartment I grew up the situation was reversed as no individual water tanks were used. The flush valve was inside the wall and connected to a thick pipe that came from the massive water tank above the top floor. The issue was that the top floor did not have much pressure.
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