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| Doctorandus_P:
Some time ago I made a mistake during dishwashing with gloves on. I held one hand too close to the running tap and hot water ran into the glove and burned my hand. It took me some seconds to take of the glove and cool my hand, but it kept hurting for about half a day. I later checked the temperature and it was 74 Celcius. The next day it did not trouble me anymore. I'm glad to have the right to do stupid things. It's from mistakes like this that you learn to be a bit more careful. If you try to diminish all risk from life a fool will just find a bigger stupidity to commit. |
| vk6zgo:
--- Quote from: Someone on December 27, 2020, 04:20:40 am --- --- Quote from: vk6zgo on December 27, 2020, 02:36:38 am --- --- Quote from: james_s on December 27, 2020, 01:48:15 am --- --- Quote from: vk6zgo on December 27, 2020, 01:21:11 am ---In Western Australia, the water from the hot tap is quite hot enough for any practical purposes. Actual "boiling" water in your system is a great way to get vapour lock & "banging" sounds from your pipes. How many people would ever check the temperature of the hot water flowing into their washing machine? --- End quote --- It's quite hot enough for anything you do, but not everybody has the same requirements and expectations as you. How about leaving the choice of water temperature up to the consumer? Really, how hard is it to have a control like our water heaters have which shows the recommended maximum but does not prevent those who desire hotter water from turning it up higher? If you often run out of hot water you can turn it up higher and then it mixes with more cold water at the tap and you get the effect of a larger water heater. Why are some people so obsessed with dictating what other people do? --- End quote --- Because many Australians have Solar hot water systems on the roof, where you can't get to them, even if they had variable controls, & other types of heaters are not normally fitted with such controls (not from the Victorian law quoted earlier---that's just the way they make 'em, in Oz, China, or whatever). If you keep your hands under the hot tap in my kitchen, it gets painful enough that you have to move your hand away. An adult's hand looks red after this, but not damaged ------a child would suffer burns. Many people do "cold water"washes these days,-------modern fabric doesn't much like hot water, any "germ reducing" effect of clothes washing with hot water has been pretty much debunked, & in any case disinfectant added to the water will do about as much, or more. Nobody uses hot water out of the tap for cooking, due to the (maybe) small amount of metallic contamination more likely in storage of hot water than direct flow from the mains. --- End quote --- dishwashing works much better with a higher temperature water. Most water heaters do have a way to adjust their operating temperature as its important for hygiene/public health and a plumber is supposed to verify/calibrate it. That is another temperature control in addition to the tempering valve. Western Australia enacted the legislation later but they do have it in force: https://noprobsplumbing.com.au/tempering-valve/ (lacking a better reference since I'm not in that market/jurisdiction) Existing installations are exempt, and as mentioned above its possible to have an install where the kitchen and laundry taps do have a higher temperature but very very few domestic installs add that extra expense. That you haven't experienced it doesn't mean its not a requirement in the building codes. I personally don't feel enough pain to remove my hand quickly from a 50 degree C water flow, but its still hot enough you can't remain submerged in it for long. So your measure of "Hot" is practically meaningless. Some food/cooking fats melt above 50 degrees, which is why dishwashing really benefits from higher temperatures. --- End quote --- Maybe with a machine, but it makes no difference with a human, who can see where the gunk is & remove it. |
| CatalinaWOW:
--- Quote from: rsjsouza on December 27, 2020, 01:31:28 am --- Also, people confuse that driving is a concession and not a right. --- End quote --- Well actually it is. Where did we start thinking that anything not specifically allowed was forbidden? Restrictions on any activity should be thoughtful concessions to the public good. Licensing for vehicle operation is one of those rightful concessions in my opinion, but should always be thought of that way. |
| amyk:
--- Quote from: Someone on December 27, 2020, 04:20:40 am ---That you haven't experienced it doesn't mean its not a requirement in the building codes. --- End quote --- ...and that people won't just mod it themselves if they really want "real" hot water, codes be damned. Then again, living in a nanny state probably beats the motivation out of you to do anything but comply. ::) |
| rsjsouza:
--- Quote from: CatalinaWOW on December 27, 2020, 09:15:08 am --- --- Quote from: rsjsouza on December 27, 2020, 01:31:28 am --- Also, people confuse that driving is a concession and not a right. --- End quote --- Well actually it is. Where did we start thinking that anything not specifically allowed was forbidden? Restrictions on any activity should be thoughtful concessions to the public good. Licensing for vehicle operation is one of those rightful concessions in my opinion, but should always be thought of that way. --- End quote --- Re-reading my post I wonder if it could be interpreted in two ways, so I am unsure if we have the same point of view. The way I see it is that a right is something you have inalienably. Driving is something that, although many people have, it is conceded after you prove yourself capable and need to constantly prove compliance. Ah, found the phrase: "driving is a privilege and not a right". |
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