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Coin cell safety improvement a world first in Australia
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rsjsouza:

--- Quote from: Muttley Snickers on December 27, 2020, 03:59:22 am ---Aside from the potential risk factors associated with coin cells there are a multitude of devices around that simply should not use them in the first place.

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I agree with you if the rate of replacement is indeed too high, but otherwise I would take a CR2032 any day. Too many appliances lost due to these stupid ultra low quality AA/AAA cells. :rant:
Circlotron:

--- Quote from: Doctorandus_P on December 27, 2020, 12:42:23 am ---I'm wondering how long it will take before people are forbidden to drive a car because it's considered too dangerous.

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Or a motorcycle. Especially one that used a coin cell somewhere.
tszaboo:

--- Quote from: james_s on December 27, 2020, 01:48:15 am ---
--- Quote from: vk6zgo on December 27, 2020, 01:21:11 am ---In Western Australia, the water from the hot tap is quite hot enough for any practical purposes.
Actual "boiling" water in your system is a great way to get vapour lock & "banging" sounds from your pipes.
How many people would ever check the temperature of the hot water flowing into their washing machine?

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It's quite hot enough for anything you do, but not everybody has the same requirements and expectations as you. How about leaving the choice of water temperature up to the consumer? Really, how hard is it to have a control like our water heaters have which shows the recommended maximum but does not prevent those who desire hotter water from turning it up higher? If you often run out of hot water you can turn it up higher and then it mixes with more cold water at the tap and you get the effect of a larger water heater. Why are some people so obsessed with dictating what other people do?

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Because often times the user of a device and the purchaser of a device is not the same person.
I was able to tell my landlord few years ago, that the installed electrical cabinet, with a single fuse, is not up to the building code. If I wanted, I could refuse to pay rent until he fixes it. Because the law said so. He fixed it within a week.

The same applies to many work related objects. The less regulation there is, the shittiest tools and appliances you get for your job. And if you ask for the safe and reliable tools: "but we already have one, use that".

This is not a unique situation, billions of people use object, that someone else purchased. Like toys. A kid will want a toy, based on the Disney figure on it's side, not the quality of the injection mold, or the battery compartment.

It is probably hard to understand this on the "land of the free*", but most laws are made for you, not against you. Because freedom also means that everyone is free to take advantage of you. That stupid screw costs 0.1 cent. And you are not a toy designer, move on.

*read it as explained in Jim Jefferies: Freedumb
CatalinaWOW:

--- Quote from: rsjsouza on December 27, 2020, 10:21:16 am ---
--- Quote from: CatalinaWOW on December 27, 2020, 09:15:08 am ---
--- Quote from: rsjsouza on December 27, 2020, 01:31:28 am ---
 Also, people confuse that driving is a concession and not a right.

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Well actually it is.  Where did we start thinking that anything not specifically allowed was forbidden?

Restrictions on any activity should be thoughtful concessions to the public good.  Licensing for vehicle operation is one of those rightful concessions in my opinion, but should always be thought of that way.

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Re-reading my post I wonder if it could be interpreted in two ways, so I am unsure if we have the same point of view. The way I see it is that a right is something you have inalienably. Driving is something that, although many people have, it is conceded after you prove yourself capable and need to constantly prove compliance.

Ah, found the phrase: "driving is a privilege and not a right".

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I am not sure we agree.  We do agree that driving should be restricted to those who have demonstrated that they can responsibly share the roads with others.  But we seem to come at it from different directions.  I view it as a restriction on the general right of anyone to do anything.  A step that while necessary, should be taken carefully and reluctantly.  While you seem to view it as a generous and limited gift to be parceled out.

In a more electronics related example restrictions on radio emissions are needed for the common good.  Use of the spectrum in the absence of that common good requirement is not something that should be owned by the government.  And no one pretends that it was prior to 1900 or so.  Hertz and Marconi didn't have to ask permission to perform their experiments.
rsjsouza:

--- Quote from: CatalinaWOW on December 27, 2020, 01:25:27 pm ---I view it as a restriction on the general right of anyone to do anything.  A step that while necessary, should be taken carefully and reluctantly.  While you seem to view it as a generous and limited gift to be parceled out.
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I see your point and I come from the same position (english is not my first language and, from time to time, I still stumble). Perhaps it was my sentence about the low bar, but I dunno.


--- Quote from: CatalinaWOW on December 27, 2020, 01:25:27 pm ---In a more electronics related example restrictions on radio emissions are needed for the common good.  Use of the spectrum in the absence of that common good requirement is not something that should be owned by the government.  And no one pretends that it was prior to 1900 or so.  Hertz and Marconi didn't have to ask permission to perform their experiments.

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Yes, at the beginning of a new technology the regulations are not in place, but they end up creeping up at some time - faster if there is a potential for or actual competition/revenue.
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