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themadhippy:
if its yellow let it mellow
if its brown flush it down
Rick Law:
Shielding a child all the time is not a good thing either.

On average, city kids exposed to more danger has more "street smart".  They are far more likely to be able to deal with danger and unknowns.

As a child in the city, I was pocket picked at least once and rob at knife point three times.  Of that three, twice I was very fearful of my life.  The third time which was the last time, I was as in control as they were.  True, they got the knives and got away scot-free with some money, but I got to keep what I wanted to keep.

It is common for youths to think they are immortal.  "It only happens to someone else" is a common thought, but too often they forgot: to someone else, you are someone else.

If you over-protected your child, you will spend the rest of your life worrying about the danger around them - simple ones that your wisdom and experience of age would help you avoid with ease.  I often wish that my kid had been robbed a time or two as long as there was no personal injury.  Now I am paying for that mistake of over-protecting while I observe my (now a young adult) kid's blissful ignorance of real danger.

Simple things that may hurt very very bad but wont kill or permanently damage a child, let them learn by mistake.  You get a more capable child as a result.


--- Quote from: james_s on December 27, 2020, 10:55:23 pm ---Frankly that wording "most laws are made for you" gives me the creeps. Big Brother knows best. Did you ever read the novel "1984"? It is frightening.

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As one of our former President had said: "Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction."

Too many has been indoctrinated with blind trust in government.  While some politicians are good, but they are by far the minority.  The last politician I know of who retired (not defeated) after decades of service and went back into a meager civilian life was over a decade ago.  These days, politicians drastically increased their own net-worth while as politicians, and yet they keep on getting "elected" back in.  So, that "one generation" appears to be here, now.  Feels like December 1983 to me now.

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Changed "was decades ago" to "was over a decade ago" in the last paragraph.
Zero999:

--- Quote from: tooki on December 28, 2020, 07:22:07 pm ---https://www.choice.com.au/home-and-living/kitchen/dishwashers/articles/dishwasher-vs-washing-by-hand

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1470-6431.2010.00973.x

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I can see the point about wasting loads of water, whilst waiting for it to warm up, hence why I use cold.

I strongly disagree with not rinsing. Read the label on a detergent bottle and note the ingredients and safety warnings: it's not something you want to be eating. Fair enough, in small quantities it'll do no harm, but I use it very concentrated, with minimal water, so rinsing is mandatory, otherwise I'd taste it and what about other residues such as raw meat and blood? No way will I eat that! As far as waiting for the dishes to pile up, or using a bucket is concerned: that wouldn't save me any water, because I never fill the sink or use the plug. I just wet the dishes, so use the same amount of water, per dish, irrespective of the quantity.

I'm not bothered about saving water, because I live in an area with relatively high rainfall and drought is rare. Saving energy is more important. My energy bills are low. I have my central heating thermostat set to 15oC, when I'm up and 10oC, when I'm out/asleep. I normally take cold showers and wash my hands cold. I live on my own. I've realised it takes so long to run the water hot, by the time it's warm, my hands are already clean, so I just use cold and my skin is better for it too.

I'd definitely use more energy/water if I had a dishwasher. Modern dishwashers which try to save water are pretty crappy. My mum has one and she finds she has to soak the dishes before running it, otherwise it leaves a residue, so she probably uses more water than just doing them in the sink. It's worse because there's only two of them in the house, so the dishes piles up and the food dries hard, making it more difficult to wash. This is a classic example of regulation failure. Another is water saving toilets which require more than one flush and have a crappy siphon which ends up leaking, after a few years.
tom66:

--- Quote from: Zero999 on December 28, 2020, 06:44:31 pm ---You didn't say how many dishes, or anything about the water temperature. I'm pretty sure I use less energy when washing cold, than any dishwasher and I still use less, even when I need to use hot water. I never fill the the sink. I wet the dishes, apply detergent to the brush, scrub and cold rinse. If a pan is very greasy, I put a small amount of hot water and detergent in it, leave it to soak, scrub to loosen the grease and rinse with cold water.

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My Bosch dishwasher uses 6L of water and 1kWh of electricity to wash dishes, on the eco setting (50 celsius),  and about 10L of water and 1.4kWh of electricity on the intensive setting (70 celsius.)
With that it can wash 20+ plates/dishes/cups/mugs/etc plus all the utensils and I don't have to get my hands dirty.   Dishes come out perfectly clean every time.   Saves energy, water* and effort - why not use it?

*Even if you aren't concerned about water usage due to sufficient supply in your area, more water usage increases energy usage by the water supplier, who has to pass the bills on to someone.  It also requires more sewage treatment, which is pretty energy intensive itself.
Zero999:

--- Quote from: tom66 on December 28, 2020, 10:37:44 pm ---
--- Quote from: Zero999 on December 28, 2020, 06:44:31 pm ---You didn't say how many dishes, or anything about the water temperature. I'm pretty sure I use less energy when washing cold, than any dishwasher and I still use less, even when I need to use hot water. I never fill the the sink. I wet the dishes, apply detergent to the brush, scrub and cold rinse. If a pan is very greasy, I put a small amount of hot water and detergent in it, leave it to soak, scrub to loosen the grease and rinse with cold water.

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My Bosch dishwasher uses 6L of water and 1kWh of electricity to wash dishes, on the eco setting (50 celsius),  and about 10L of water and 1.4kWh of electricity on the intensive setting (70 celsius.)
With that it can wash 20+ plates/dishes/cups/mugs/etc plus all the utensils and I don't have to get my hands dirty.   Dishes come out perfectly clean every time.   Saves energy, water* and effort - why not use it?
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Sounds good, but I don't have the space in my kitchen.


--- Quote ---*Even if you aren't concerned about water usage due to sufficient supply in your area, more water usage increases energy usage by the water supplier, who has to pass the bills on to someone.  It also requires more sewage treatment, which is pretty energy intensive itself.

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True, but water is still cheaper for me than electricity/gas so even if I use a little more water than that, I honestly don't know, since I don't measure, it's still cheaper doing it by hand with cold water. Even if we just consider the environment, not cost, suppose I use double the amount of water per dish than that machine. I doubt that adds up to an extra 1kWh used by the treatment works.
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