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gnuarm:

--- Quote from: nctnico on August 07, 2022, 03:20:55 pm ---Maybe you should read the news a bit more in-depth. There are hydrogen storage and production projects in various states allover the world in order to supply energy across the globe. This is one close at home for me: https://www.shell.com/media/news-and-media-releases/2022/shell-to-start-building-europes-largest-renewable-hydrogen-plant.html
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Yes, there are projects for generating hydrogen.  None of them are in competition with Petroleum, or more importantly, none are in competition with BEVs in any way.



--- Quote ---And you are wrong about oil being an energy source. It isn't; it is stored solar energy.
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LOL!!!  I actually laughed at that one.  When you decide to get serious, let me know and we can continue the discussion.  LOL!



--- Quote ---And you are also wrong about electricity being a primary energy form. It is a handy intermediary form for local use but storage and/or transport over long distances is expensive.
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Yeah, it seems I have forgotten the correct term.  Energy has various forms which are ranked by how easily they can be turned into others.  Electrical is one of the highest, being easy to turn into mechanical, thermal, chemical and many other forms of energy.  Heat is the lowest, being hard to turn into other forms. 

Anyone know the proper adjective?  A Google search did not find it.  It did find many energy drinks, however.



--- Quote ---Nuclear energy is the closest we can get to a primary energy source on earth.

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A pointless distinction however. 
gnuarm:

--- Quote from: Cerebus on August 07, 2022, 06:37:54 pm ---
--- Quote from: nctnico on August 06, 2022, 04:41:25 pm --- A large part of the popularity of BEVs is based on hype.

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There speaks a man who hasn't driven one, or at least lived with one for a while. The popularity, among those who have driven them, is that they are good to drive. I'm a petrol head of long standing, having driven a range of cars and motorbikes, for the cars mostly "performance" cars including some serious exotica and I like driving EVs. My PHEV gets driven almost exclusively in EV mode where it only has 66kW/88bhp available to drag its 1735 kg kerb weight around, but it doesn't feel like "only" 38kW/51bhp per tonne, it feels more responsive and tractable than the 130bhp/tonne sports car it replaced and that I liked so much, and couldn't find anything comparable in performance or handling, that I've stuck to driving for the last 22 years.

Then you add not having to listen to a petrol or diesel engine drone at you all the time, or the vibrations from the same, and it's a different world. Quiet, fast, calm, what's not to like.

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+1
nctnico:

--- Quote from: gnuarm on August 07, 2022, 06:58:41 pm ---
--- Quote from: nctnico on August 07, 2022, 03:20:55 pm ---Maybe you should read the news a bit more in-depth. There are hydrogen storage and production projects in various states allover the world in order to supply energy across the globe. This is one close at home for me: https://www.shell.com/media/news-and-media-releases/2022/shell-to-start-building-europes-largest-renewable-hydrogen-plant.html
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Yes, there are projects for generating hydrogen.  None of them are in competition with Petroleum, or more importantly, none are in competition with BEVs in any way.

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Not yet but the wheels are in motion.

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--- Quote ---And you are wrong about oil being an energy source. It isn't; it is stored solar energy.
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LOL!!!  I actually laughed at that one.  When you decide to get serious, let me know and we can continue the discussion.  LOL!

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So, where does oil come from according to you?
nctnico:

--- Quote from: Cerebus on August 07, 2022, 06:37:54 pm ---
--- Quote from: nctnico on August 06, 2022, 04:41:25 pm --- A large part of the popularity of BEVs is based on hype.

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There speaks a man who hasn't driven one, or at least lived with one for a while. The popularity, among those who have driven them, is that they are good to drive.

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That remark misses the point by a mile...  :palm: Look at resource and scalability issues of BEVs. If it would have made sense for my to drive in a BEV I'd would have but it doesn't. Despite living in a country that is among the few countries that has the highest percentage of BEVs driving around.
Cerebus:

--- Quote from: nctnico on August 07, 2022, 07:27:26 pm ---
--- Quote from: Cerebus on August 07, 2022, 06:37:54 pm ---
--- Quote from: nctnico on August 06, 2022, 04:41:25 pm --- A large part of the popularity of BEVs is based on hype.

--- End quote ---

There speaks a man who hasn't driven one, or at least lived with one for a while. The popularity, among those who have driven them, is that they are good to drive.

--- End quote ---
That remark misses the point by a mile...  :palm: Look at resource and scalability issues of BEVs. If it would have made sense for my to drive in a BEV I'd would have but it doesn't. Despite living in a country that is among the few countries that has the highest percentage of BEVs driving around.

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None of which is about "popularity".

If you wanted to ride a mile you'd need five horses you keep changing between them so often.  :-DD
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