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Confused about PHEV, Hybrids, etc...
tom66:
--- Quote from: bdunham7 on August 13, 2022, 03:45:58 am ---So suppose I ditched all my cars and signed up for your perpetual SDC service. What productive and paying uses would I have for my garage and driveway? I don't live in SF or Manhattan where you can sell parking spaces for $100K+. And being able to acquire and store a larger oscilloscope collection does not count as a paying use!
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Long term? You might turn that into a larger front garden, or you might build an extension there if permitted. Or use it for a project car, instead of a day to day car (people will still drive/use private cars for a long time.) Depends what you're into.
Over time, properties with driveways have no more value than properties without them, if SDCs take off in the manner described. Larger properties can be built without the need for parking. Streets become safer when they're not lined with car parking.
Cerebus:
--- Quote from: bdunham7 on August 13, 2022, 03:45:58 am --- And being able to acquire and store a larger oscilloscope collection does not count as a paying use!
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Go and wash your mouth out with soap! :)
bdunham7:
--- Quote from: Someone on August 13, 2022, 05:50:24 am ---You have paid for that garage space, but you refuse to apportion any cost to the car parking when you talk about the cost of owning/operating a car. Perhaps the purchase of the car should be "zero" as you already have it and aren't planning on selling it? Equally stupid.
For people who have access to car sharing, they dont buy a garage in the first place. Hence the significant cost savings that you and others are trying to pretend aren't there. You're putting car parking "off the books" which is plainly incorrect as there is a cost.
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The difference between an economist and an accountant is that the economist will theorize that if something has value, the 'market' dictates that it must have an appropriate cost. The accountant will realize that both value and cost can be positive, zero or negative and that value and cost can be uncorrelated. Swimming pools are a good example here in SoCal. As I said already, your ideas may work for urban areas and new development where eliminating a drive and garage will actually result in a reduction of cost. But for my situation, there's no evidence that I actually paid for my driveway (meaning that an equivalent house sans parking could have been purchased for less) nor that if I did I could recover any value by not using it. In any case, unlike my car which I certainly could and would sell for cash, there's no reasonable cash recovery possible for my parking. You're proposing to save me money that I'm not spending in the future and am not certain that I spent in the past.
There's all sorts of other reasons that your SDC-replacement theories are unworkable for the foreseeable future. Take the amount of non-revenue mileage as the car drives empty to get to the next pickup, vs my car that goes where I go. Again, in an urban environment that can be managed, but it is much harder in a suburban scene and impossible in rural areas. Your SDCs will be driving 40-100% more miles than private cars for equivalent use in my area.
sokoloff:
--- Quote from: edy on August 11, 2022, 04:02:04 pm ---I feel like other ways to reduce transportation in general, like increasing efficiency of existing modes (not in terms of fuel but eliminating single-passengers in 5 ton vehicles, more carpooling, store deliveries, pooled shipping, lighter/smaller 1-2 passenger vehicles like weather-covered e-bikes, etc) will have more impact.
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Who the hell is driving around in a 5-ton vehicle today?!
bdunham7:
--- Quote from: sokoloff on August 13, 2022, 04:33:40 pm ---Who the hell is driving around in a 5-ton vehicle today?!
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Well it isn't 5 tons, but a Tesla Model X has a GVWR of over 6700lbs and qualifies for a significant tax credit (Section 179) for being over 3 tons.
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