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Confused about PHEV, Hybrids, etc...
tom66:
Pretty good video summarising ICCT findings. Spoiler: battery EV or hydrogen EV (powered by genuine carbon-neutral hydrogen) are the ways we reach Paris agreement / 1.5C by 2050.
nctnico:
OMG :palm: Another 'truth' video from Youtube :horse:
You do realise that 2050 is still over a quarter of a century away? A lot, and I mean a LOT can happen during that time.
tom66:
--- Quote from: nctnico on August 14, 2022, 06:26:28 pm ---OMG :palm: Another 'truth' video from Youtube :horse:
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Do you just react instinctively to things like this? Is it like an area of your brain dedicated to "yuck, climate change stuff"?
If you actually read the post or watched the video before you reacted (hard, I know right?) it is a summary of a scientific report by ICCT looking at the whole lifecycle emissions of ICE, EV, biofuel ICE, hydrogen, etc. and modelling this in 2030 too. It includes manufacture of the batteries. Emissions from the power plant powering the EV. It shows pretty conclusively there's no way to get to Paris goals without EV or hydrogen (but not natural gas derived hydrogen).
It's kind of scary how close 2050 is: if the average car has a lifespan of say 15 years then 2030 is really the absolute last date that we can sell a new ICE car, and we should be getting rid of them for good from 2040 or so.
nctnico:
--- Quote from: tom66 on August 14, 2022, 06:36:17 pm ---
--- Quote from: nctnico on August 14, 2022, 06:26:28 pm ---OMG :palm: Another 'truth' video from Youtube :horse:
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Do you just react instinctively to things like this? Is it like an area of your brain dedicated to "yuck, climate change stuff"?
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No, it is a reaction to people pulling random videos from Youtube to prove some kind of point that doesn't exist. I wish people stopped doing that and stuck to actual science that can be verified. Every year KPMG puts together a nice report about what the automotive industry may look like in the near future. That is a far more interesting read (and it doesn't claim to be the truth; just a detailed report on what is going on).
There are so many wheels in motion that it is impossible to predict what the world will look like after 25 years. Just look at how the world has changed during the last 25 years. Mobile phones... flat TVs... internet... . The last few years alone have been quite a ride. Whatever long term plans are being made, these are going to be overtaken and obsoleted by technological and geopolitical developments.
BTW: your reaction is so typical for the 'cancel culture'. Suddenly I'm a climate change denier while there is absolutely no ground for that. You won't find any post from me on the entire internet saying that climate change doesn't exist because I never wrote something like that. I have been around long enough to notice the climate is changing by myself.
Cerebus:
--- Quote from: nctnico on August 14, 2022, 07:16:33 pm ---There are so many wheels in motion that it is impossible to predict what the world will look like after 25 years. Just look at how the world has changed during the last 25 years. Mobile phones... flat TVs... internet... . The last few years alone have been quite a ride. Whatever long term plans are being made, these are going to be overtaken and obsoleted by technological and geopolitical developments.
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Alternatively look how little the world has changed in 25 years. Twenty five years ago I had a mobile phone, I'd been running an ISP's network for two years, and flat panel TVs were starting to replace CRTs.
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