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gnuarm:

--- Quote from: EEVblog on August 17, 2022, 08:25:14 am ---
--- Quote from: tom66 on August 17, 2022, 08:19:39 am ---Batteries still aren't *cheap*, but they definitely have fallen substantially.
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Of course they have, there is a big market for them now.
But have not, and probaly will not drop enough for Joe Average to think EV's a no-brainer compared to their ICE car.
Not to mention that EV's simply aren't practically suitable to a large percentage of the population. And I don't see that changing either until you can get a large range at a cheap price AND the ability to recharge in a few minutes.

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Which "large percentage" of the population would find BEVs impractical? 

I often hear how the UK has far too many cars parking on the street making it impossible to charge at home.  That's not actually the case, since level 2 charging can be placed anywhere, literally.  The cord can be with the car, leaving only a connector on the EVSE, so little opportunity for stealing the copper (much harder to do when in use). 

I think many people simply are defeatist, not being willing to even think about the problems.  Bottom line is BEVs are happening, and attitudes will change as people see them adopted widely. 

bdunham7:

--- Quote from: Someone on August 18, 2022, 03:50:38 am ---Its a social pressure to own those things, and people buy in despite the economics saying otherwise. Then convince themselves and others that it was the "right" thing to do with the sorts of misleading arguments flying about in here.

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It's not social pressure, its more like not wanting to be annoyed with having to deal with other people's issues on a daily basis.  I don't want to have to deal with a car that has other people's fast food wrappers and cat vomit in it.  OTOH, if I happen to eat lunch on the road or my cat throws up in the car, maybe I'd like to wait a week before cleaning it up.  That's a big reason why people like to own their cars (and houses), at least in my case.  If you like your utopian model, then go for it.  Just don't expect to be able to impose it on the majority of the population.


--- Quote ---A house generally appreciates (over recent history, bubble etc) while a car is almost always a depreciating asset which is where it falls apart on an ownership model.

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While the facts as stated are more or less true, this canard is actually one of the most annoying bits of bad financial advice I hear over and over.  Neither houses nor cars are normal investment assets and shouldn't be thought about that way, unless of course the suddenly appreciate at an unexpectedly high rate and you are in a position to sell them for a profit.  Whether the car 'depreciates' or just wears out really shouldn't matter much.  Both the house and th car are expenses--you pay to have a place to live and you pay to have transportation. 

EEVblog:

--- Quote from: gnuarm on August 18, 2022, 04:14:54 am ---Which "large percentage" of the population would find BEVs impractical? 

I often hear how the UK has far too many cars parking on the street making it impossible to charge at home.  That's not actually the case, since level 2 charging can be placed anywhere, literally. 

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It is actually the case for those that have investigated it and say it's a problem. I hear this all the time.

gnuarm:

--- Quote from: EEVblog on August 17, 2022, 11:50:02 pm ---It's turtles all the way down.
People like owning stuff, and that will always trickle up the ladder depending on your your wealth level and desire.
For majority of people the car ranks right up there with owning a house.

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Not the same thing.  People in cities often don't own cars.  They "share" by using public transport, or taxis or walking/riding bikes.  The idea of car sharing is not bad and many people, who live in apartment complexes with convenient access to many facilities would be happy to share cars. 

Yeah, when everyone wants a car at the same time, some won't get one and they will have to rent or make other plans.  It doesn't seem like an unworkable plan though.  If you want to fly around the holidays, you need to book well in advance, otherwise you don't go.  That doesn't mean people buy their own airplanes. 

Someone:

--- Quote from: bdunham7 on August 18, 2022, 04:22:48 am ---
--- Quote from: Someone on August 18, 2022, 03:50:38 am ---Its a social pressure to own those things, and people buy in despite the economics saying otherwise. Then convince themselves and others that it was the "right" thing to do with the sorts of misleading arguments flying about in here.
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It's not social pressure, its more like not wanting to be annoyed with having to deal with other people's issues on a daily basis.  I don't want to have to deal with a car that has other people's fast food wrappers and cat vomit in it.  OTOH, if I happen to eat lunch on the road or my cat throws up in the car, maybe I'd like to wait a week before cleaning it up.  That's a big reason why people like to own their cars (and houses), at least in my case.  If you like your utopian model, then go for it.  Just don't expect to be able to impose it on the majority of the population.
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Lol, spoken like someone who has never shared or rented a car. I'm not pushing utopia on anyone, just pointing out the blinkered thinking that leads people to incorrectly believe a car is cheap convenience.

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