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gnuarm:

--- Quote from: EEVblog on August 18, 2022, 04:23:40 am ---
--- Quote from: gnuarm on August 18, 2022, 04:14:54 am ---Which "large percentage" of the population would find BEVs impractical? 

I often hear how the UK has far too many cars parking on the street making it impossible to charge at home.  That's not actually the case, since level 2 charging can be placed anywhere, literally. 

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It is actually the case for those that have investigated it and say it's a problem. I hear this all the time.

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So anecdotal and not anything we can actually debate.
EEVblog:

--- Quote from: bdunham7 on August 18, 2022, 04:22:48 am ---
--- Quote from: Someone on August 18, 2022, 03:50:38 am ---Its a social pressure to own those things, and people buy in despite the economics saying otherwise. Then convince themselves and others that it was the "right" thing to do with the sorts of misleading arguments flying about in here.

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It's not social pressure, its more like not wanting to be annoyed with having to deal with other people's issues on a daily basis.  I don't want to have to deal with a car that has other people's fast food wrappers and cat vomit in it.  OTOH, if I happen to eat lunch on the road or my cat throws up in the car, maybe I'd like to wait a week before cleaning it up.  That's a big reason why people like to own their cars (and houses), at least in my case.  If you like your utopian model, then go for it.  Just don't expect to be able to impose it on the majority of the population.

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As someone who lives in typical small suburban street, I can't see how renting a communal car would possibly be an option. Even if I was able to convince everyone in our small dead end street to abandon owning their car and having a rental (or even two) that gets left in the street just for our use, you'd constantly have everyone wanting to use it at the same time to drop off and pick up kids, go the gym, sports, shopping, weekends etc. Not to mention work.
It's insanely impractical and people would be jack of it after a week.
And then you are almost certainly financially better off just buying a junker outright and having it to yourself.
There are hug reason why the majority own their own car (finance or otherwise). The communal rental thing will always be a niche.
Monkeh:

--- Quote from: gnuarm on August 18, 2022, 04:14:54 am ---I often hear how the UK has far too many cars parking on the street making it impossible to charge at home.  That's not actually the case, since level 2 charging can be placed anywhere, literally.  The cord can be with the car, leaving only a connector on the EVSE, so little opportunity for stealing the copper (much harder to do when in use). 

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I know multiple people in my town who have no parking - they own cars, and they own a house or rent a flat, and have no assured place to park and with that, no place to charge a BEV except sitting at a (currently rare, mostly slow) public charger.

It is a problem, whether you want to admit it or not. One which must be solved, not handwaved away.
EEVblog:

--- Quote from: gnuarm on August 18, 2022, 04:30:11 am ---
--- Quote from: EEVblog on August 18, 2022, 04:23:40 am ---
--- Quote from: gnuarm on August 18, 2022, 04:14:54 am ---Which "large percentage" of the population would find BEVs impractical? 

I often hear how the UK has far too many cars parking on the street making it impossible to charge at home.  That's not actually the case, since level 2 charging can be placed anywhere, literally. 

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It is actually the case for those that have investigated it and say it's a problem. I hear this all the time.

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So anecdotal and not anything we can actually debate.

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I know people who have said it, and in some cases, have seen their actual living situtations myself, and I know it's true.
I don't want to debate it, it's a literal truth that many people do not have the ability to practically charge an EV. And it's often not easy to get such infrastructure installed due to physical access, cost, council regulations etc.
bdunham7:

--- Quote from: Someone on August 18, 2022, 04:28:12 am ---Lol, spoken like someone who has never shared or rented a car. I'm not pushing utopia on anyone, just pointing out the blinkered thinking that leads people to incorrectly believe a car is cheap convenience.

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I've rented cars as needed for 40 years.  Although I've been pleased at times with how inexpensive they were (not lately, b/t/w) it still costs more than having my own car would, at least on my home turf.  I haven't tried a shared car service, but here's a recent review of a local company, ZipCar which is pretty much in line with my expectations.

Absolutely terrible. I will never be a customer again. Received a car reeking of weed, with gum stuck to the windshield, sand all in the trunk, and crumbled food all over the floor (Saturday). Submitted the complaint with images via the app, AS INSTRUCTED IN THE APP. Nothing happened.
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