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| gnuarm:
--- Quote from: 2N3055 on August 18, 2022, 10:20:38 pm --- --- Quote from: gnuarm on August 18, 2022, 08:42:04 pm --- Or you stop for 10-15 minutes along the way, have a coffee and hit the bathroom. You can get up to 200 miles or even 321 km in that time. If you are going to whine that this is not reasonable, then I guess you can keep your gas burner and be the last guy driving an ICE in 2050. --- End quote --- There are very few chargers on the way. All of them are slow and usually taken by desperate ones.... Also I don't have time to faff around. I need to get there and back without wasting additional time.. 15 minutes charge on slow charger is not helpful. 2 hours I don't have just because I made a wrong decision to buy a car the doesn't serve my usage patterns.. --- End quote --- Ok, then you live in a country that isn't ready for BEVs. Perhaps you can join the rest of us in anther 10 years or so. In the US, Tesla has made a point of building a very good charging network that is very effective. They are still continuing to expand it. I know in Australia, not so much. People live around the perimeter mostly, yet have to drive across the inner parts to reach other parts of the perimeter. They don't have so many Teslas yet, so not so many trip chargers. --- Quote ---I don't serve my car purposes. It is the other way around. Until BEV serves my lifestyle as well as gasoline burner and is affordable to me to buy, no BEV for me. And that is how it is for 90% of all population. THAT is the reason why there no more BEVs on the street. These people are not anti green. They just cannot afford it. In more ways than just price to purchase it. --- End quote --- Yeah, I get that. Not everyone is ready for BEVs. But don't invent numbers where you have none. The only thing currently limiting the number of BEVs on the road is how fast they can make them, literally! There is a year backlog on many models. |
| gnuarm:
--- Quote from: Monkeh on August 18, 2022, 10:28:56 pm --- --- Quote from: gnuarm on August 18, 2022, 08:31:59 pm --- --- End quote --- And I'm sure you're quite happy to go and invest tens of thousands of dollars into a vehicle which is impractical for you with no foreseeable change to that fact. The rest of the world has other ideas. --- End quote --- You seem to have snipped something you wanted to reply to. But my BEV is not impractical in any way. It works very well and charging is nearly everywhere. --- Quote --- --- Quote from: gnuarm on August 18, 2022, 08:49:49 pm ---This is why I typically don't discuss BEVs with people from the UK. They managed to essentially run the world at one point, but today can't seem to be able to wire a 240V outlet. --- End quote --- The issue here is that you are arguing from a point of profound ignorance as to the reality of living in this country. Running cables to a dwelling was brought up as an example of the cost of running underground cabling. The reverse would be required for a house to provide its own charging point at the roadside, or similar work required to provision charging up a street on behalf of the houses there by, say, a local council, or a private company providing charging facilities. --- End quote --- Yes, there are many countries I am ignorant of. I have found that by the description of the electric grid in the UK, by the people who live in the UK, it is not unlike the grid here in Puerto Rico, constantly on the edge of crashing and putting everyone in the dark. I hope you can find a path forward that will resolve your grid problems and BEVs can be used as in the more advanced countries in the EU. |
| gnuarm:
Cerebus: I'm not handwaving. I just know that this is not such an insurmountable problem. It only requires a bit of innovative thinking rather than not looking past the roadblock. Ok, that is what I have said several times. Many, but not all people from the UK, who discuss this seem to think it is an intractable problem. I'm willing to bet that in 10 years, solutions abound. |
| Monkeh:
--- Quote from: gnuarm on August 19, 2022, 01:02:52 am --- --- Quote from: Monkeh on August 18, 2022, 10:28:56 pm --- --- Quote from: gnuarm on August 18, 2022, 08:31:59 pm --- --- End quote --- And I'm sure you're quite happy to go and invest tens of thousands of dollars into a vehicle which is impractical for you with no foreseeable change to that fact. The rest of the world has other ideas. --- End quote --- You seem to have snipped something you wanted to reply to. But my BEV is not impractical in any way. It works very well and charging is nearly everywhere. --- End quote --- There was nothing of substance to reply to, merely the presence of your attempted reply. Your BEV may be practical - you are missing the issue that for many people it simply would not be and no change to this is in sight despite your assertion that there is no problem. Nobody is going to buy a BEV which they cannot practically use based upon the dream that someone else will shortly turn up and fix it. --- Quote from: gnuarm on August 19, 2022, 01:06:30 am ---Cerebus: I'm not handwaving. I just know that this is not such an insurmountable problem. It only requires a bit of innovative thinking rather than not looking past the roadblock. Ok, that is what I have said several times. Many, but not all people from the UK, who discuss this seem to think it is an intractable problem. I'm willing to bet that in 10 years, solutions abound. --- End quote --- It is an intractable problem for those who have it, and the vast majority of those are not in a position to keep changing their vehicles. |
| EEVblog:
--- Quote from: gnuarm on August 19, 2022, 01:06:30 am ---Cerebus: I'm not handwaving. I just know that this is not such an insurmountable problem. It only requires a bit of innovative thinking rather than not looking past the roadblock. Ok, that is what I have said several times. Many, but not all people from the UK, who discuss this seem to think it is an intractable problem. I'm willing to bet that in 10 years, solutions abound. --- End quote --- To the person making a decision ot buy an EV it doesn't matter that the probem can be solved, or may be solved in the future, it's a simple fact that it doesn't work for them NOW. And solving street parking charging is not as easy as solving say a home charging problem. Installing an extra power in your garage or outside your house and running an extension lead is trivial, you can do it yourself or just hire an electrican to do it fairly easily, so it's no impedement to buying an EV. But if you are forced to park on the public street you don't have the same easy options. And regardless of how much effort oyu put into solving this problem, there wil ALWAYS be people who are unable to buy an EV because of the charging issue. EV's will never reach the convenience point of getting 500km range in 2 minutes at a petrol station like ICE cars. So you need to be a certain kind of buys to go for an EV. This will not change for the forseeable future. |
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