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Confused about PHEV, Hybrids, etc...
Someone:
--- Quote from: EEVblog on August 19, 2022, 02:09:55 am ---But if you are forced to park on the public street you don't have the same easy options.
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People choose to own a car and park it on the street. So many choices! Upsides and downsides to those choices.
Monkeh:
--- Quote from: Someone on August 19, 2022, 02:29:37 am ---
--- Quote from: EEVblog on August 19, 2022, 02:09:55 am ---But if you are forced to park on the public street you don't have the same easy options.
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People choose to own a car and park it on the street. So many choices! Upsides and downsides to those choices.
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That is not always the case, but it does nicely identify those with the privilege.
Cerebus:
--- Quote from: gnuarm on August 19, 2022, 01:06:30 am ---Cerebus: I'm not handwaving. I just know that this is not such an insurmountable problem. It only requires a bit of innovative thinking rather than not looking past the roadblock.
Ok, that is what I have said several times. Many, but not all people from the UK, who discuss this seem to think it is an intractable problem. I'm willing to bet that in 10 years, solutions abound.
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If it just requires "a bit of innovative thinking" then you should be able to provide that if it's so simple. Reducing it to "a bit of innovative thinking" without proposing even the faintest hint of a concrete solution is exactly handwaving.
Of course, it doesn't just require "a bit of innovative thinking" it requires 100s of billions of pounds spent on infrastructure for the UK alone before BEVs for the masses is a practical thing the way ICE vehicles currently are. These are hard costs, not costs that benefit much from economies of scale. Someone has to dig the roads, install a vast number of public charging points where they are convenient for all people to use at a reasonable price* and wire the whole lot to the electricity distribution system. Someone has to make that investment and until they do BEVs will remain not a mass market thing but the playthings of dilettantes with upwards of £30k to spend and a relatively large property with off street parking that they can fit their own charger in.
London currently has around 6000 EV public charge points, mostly 7kW slow AC chargers, a population of 9.5 million people, and currently 2.6 million cars registered to London addresses. One charge point, of the type that needs a whole night to charge a typical BEV, per 433 cars. Say for arguments sake that's one charge per car per week. That cuts the factor to around 62. So we are short 370,000 charge points just for London. If we take your mythical 10 years when all will be solved, that requires the equivalent of 102 off 7kW chargers to be installed in London every day. Or to put it differently, the number of public chargers currently available would have to double in the next two months.
The whole UK has less than 35,000 public charging points in total, only ~5000 are rapid or ultra rapid. If we are going to ban the sale of new ICE cars in 2030 as mooted, a shit load of infrastructure needs building in the next 8 years to support the 2-3 million new cars purchased a year in the UK plus the BEV and PHEVs sold in the interim before BEVs become the only game in town..
* A lot of the current public charge points charge double what you'd pay for home charging without even offering fast charging.
Someone:
--- Quote from: Monkeh on August 19, 2022, 02:31:07 am ---
--- Quote from: Someone on August 19, 2022, 02:29:37 am ---
--- Quote from: EEVblog on August 19, 2022, 02:09:55 am ---But if you are forced to park on the public street you don't have the same easy options.
--- End quote ---
People choose to own a car and park it on the street. So many choices! Upsides and downsides to those choices.
--- End quote ---
That is not always the case, but it does nicely identify those with the privilege.
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Who is contractually obliged to own a car and park it on the street. It is a choice.
Don't own your parking? you cant complain about its lack of amenities or convenience. Want to own a vehicle (say so you can conduct business as a tradeperson)? That's part of the costs of choosing to do that.
Monkeh:
--- Quote from: Someone on August 19, 2022, 03:43:28 am ---
--- Quote from: Monkeh on August 19, 2022, 02:31:07 am ---
--- Quote from: Someone on August 19, 2022, 02:29:37 am ---
--- Quote from: EEVblog on August 19, 2022, 02:09:55 am ---But if you are forced to park on the public street you don't have the same easy options.
--- End quote ---
People choose to own a car and park it on the street. So many choices! Upsides and downsides to those choices.
--- End quote ---
That is not always the case, but it does nicely identify those with the privilege.
--- End quote ---
Who is contractually obliged to own a car and park it on the street. It is a choice.
Don't own your parking? you cant complain about its lack of amenities or convenience. Want to own a vehicle (say so you can conduct business as a tradeperson)? That's part of the costs of choosing to do that.
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Ones choices are, I'm afraid to say, often constrained by available accomodations, work, and transit. Many simply do not have a choice about owning a car, nor any short-term choice about where they live. It's very nice that you do, but as I said, it demonstrates your privilege.
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