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pcprogrammer:

--- Quote from: tszaboo on August 19, 2022, 08:40:57 am ---
--- Quote from: pcprogrammer on August 19, 2022, 05:51:23 am ---Also something to think about. Do we have any idea of the long term influence of what we are doing? Erecting big wind farms everywhere on the planet. What does this do to the climate.

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Nothing.

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That you know of, but you can't proof it. Only in 10, 20, 30 years time we will know the answer.


--- Quote from: tszaboo on August 19, 2022, 08:40:57 am ---
--- Quote from: pcprogrammer on August 19, 2022, 05:51:23 am ---See the bigger picture here?

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Not really, I see ramblings, which are basically equivalent to the "Solarpanels are going to suck away the energy from the sun and we will all live in darkness"

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That is your provocative to see ramblings, but your comparison is off base. That is not what I'm saying.

Placing solar panels on existing roofs is no problem, but covering fast planes of land might cause problems we have not for seen. Just think of how deforestation to make room for housing, industry, farming and infrastructure changed the earth and its climate.

But I know it is not a message people want to hear. Just keep believing that everything will be just fine as long as we change to electricity and move away from fossil fuels.


--- Quote from: tszaboo on August 19, 2022, 08:40:57 am ---
--- Quote from: pcprogrammer on August 19, 2022, 05:51:23 am --- Look at weather predictions. These are based on models and are often wrong, at least here where I live.

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You are either looking at low quality websites doing predictions. Or your expectations are too high, and you want to know the weather more than 5 days in advance. There are weather models that take 27 parameters in a 100m grid, and can predict pretty much how the weather will be for maybe two weeks. The best supercomputers have trouble running the model in real time, plus the smallest observation error, measurement error will change the outcome.

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No I would like to know if it is going to rain today or not. And when the predictions say it is not and you trust on it, it is a bit of a bummer that your paint job gets ruined because it starts to rain. Or when looking at the radar on weerplaza.nl telling that it is raining and then you look outside and the sun is shining. :palm:
Someone:

--- Quote from: Monkeh on August 19, 2022, 03:46:51 am ---
--- Quote from: Someone on August 19, 2022, 03:43:28 am ---
--- Quote from: Monkeh on August 19, 2022, 02:31:07 am ---
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--- Quote from: EEVblog on August 19, 2022, 02:09:55 am ---But if you are forced to park on the public street you don't have the same easy options.
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People choose to own a car and park it on the street. So many choices! Upsides and downsides to those choices.

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That is not always the case, but it does nicely identify those with the privilege.
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Who is contractually obliged to own a car and park it on the street. It is a choice.

Don't own your parking? you cant complain about its lack of amenities or convenience. Want to own a vehicle (say so you can conduct business as a tradeperson)? That's part of the costs of choosing to do that.
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Ones choices are, I'm afraid to say, often constrained by available accomodations, work, and transit. Many simply do not have a choice about owning a car, nor any short-term choice about where they live. It's very nice that you do, but as I said, it demonstrates your privilege.
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You imagine there is no choice, while in fact you aren't living in a totalitarian dictatorship eliminating all free will (east Germany anyone?). Your choice of accomodation and job are just that, there is no force requiring you to undertake them with no other option.

People get stuck in what they perceive to be optimal situations, that with a narrow/short view may well be the nearest best option, but miss the wider choices that could be better overall.


--- Quote from: tszaboo on August 19, 2022, 08:40:57 am ---Is owning a car now considered a privilege?
How about it being a basic human right, and a consequence of living above the poverty line?
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... can't tell if serious or joke. Car ownership being a basic human right? Even if it were a right, that doesn't make it mandatory or an essential of life.
pcprogrammer:

--- Quote from: Someone on August 19, 2022, 09:34:51 am ---
--- Quote from: tszaboo on August 19, 2022, 08:40:57 am ---Is owning a car now considered a privilege?
How about it being a basic human right, and a consequence of living above the poverty line?

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... can't tell if serious or joke. Car ownership being a basic human right? Even if it were a right, that doesn't make it mandatory or an essential of life.

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It certainly is not mandatory, but it makes things a lot easier. 8)

At least when you live out in the sticks. In a big town it might even be a hinder.
nctnico:

--- Quote from: Someone on August 19, 2022, 09:34:51 am ---
--- Quote from: Monkeh on August 19, 2022, 03:46:51 am ---
--- Quote from: Someone on August 19, 2022, 03:43:28 am ---
--- Quote from: Monkeh on August 19, 2022, 02:31:07 am ---
--- Quote from: Someone on August 19, 2022, 02:29:37 am ---
--- Quote from: EEVblog on August 19, 2022, 02:09:55 am ---But if you are forced to park on the public street you don't have the same easy options.
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People choose to own a car and park it on the street. So many choices! Upsides and downsides to those choices.

--- End quote ---
That is not always the case, but it does nicely identify those with the privilege.
--- End quote ---
Who is contractually obliged to own a car and park it on the street. It is a choice.

Don't own your parking? you cant complain about its lack of amenities or convenience. Want to own a vehicle (say so you can conduct business as a tradeperson)? That's part of the costs of choosing to do that.
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Ones choices are, I'm afraid to say, often constrained by available accomodations, work, and transit. Many simply do not have a choice about owning a car, nor any short-term choice about where they live. It's very nice that you do, but as I said, it demonstrates your privilege.
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You imagine there is no choice, while in fact you aren't living in a totalitarian dictatorship eliminating all free will (east Germany anyone?). Your choice of accomodation and job are just that, there is no force requiring you to undertake them with no other option.

People get stuck in what they perceive to be optimal situations, that with a narrow/short view may well be the nearest best option, but miss the wider choices that could be better overall.

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Ah, great. Next time I need to go to the toilet I'll take a dump in the neighbour's garden. According to you, I have that choice.
tszaboo:

--- Quote from: Someone on August 19, 2022, 09:34:51 am ---
--- Quote from: tszaboo on August 19, 2022, 08:40:57 am ---Is owning a car now considered a privilege?
How about it being a basic human right, and a consequence of living above the poverty line?
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... can't tell if serious or joke. Car ownership being a basic human right? Even if it were a right, that doesn't make it mandatory or an essential of life.

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Yeah, it is covered by many many legal systems. Just one below:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_an_adequate_standard_of_living
And it's impossible for a country in Europe to ban you from car ownership. They can take your license, if you don't deserve it.
Of course there are always hippies and gen-z living in a city center debating this.
But car ownership is not a privilege. It's not something that is given to you by someone else for any reason, you are born with the right.
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