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gnuarm:

--- Quote from: Monkeh on August 21, 2022, 08:49:09 pm ---
--- Quote from: tom66 on August 21, 2022, 07:44:55 pm ---Owning a BEV is like going from a Nokia 3310i to an iPhone.

OK, on the one hand it's slightly inconvenient to plug in every night, rather than 'refuel' every two weeks.  But, on the other hand, it takes zero time, because it happens while you sleep.  And besides the odd very long road trip, if you can manage this nightly charging routine (or even nightly-once-every-week) then it can work out more convenient than petrol.  And, like the new phone, it gives you many more advantages and it's much nicer to use.

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And for some it's like not being allowed to charge nightly but having to take your phone to an Apple Store half an hour out of your way and wait three hours until it's charged.

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And those people can wait until the chargers are installed where they park.  BEVs are happening.  There's no stopping them.  Charging is going to happen because there will be demand for it.  Like everything else on this Earth, if there is demand, there will be supply. 

It's not like everyone can have a BEV right now.  Get in line and wait your turn.  There are a lot of people with more vision who are ready to buy right now.
tom66:

--- Quote from: Cerebus on August 21, 2022, 09:34:01 pm ---Also when it's plugged in you can take advantage of the electrically driven climate control system to pre-condition your car for a particular departure time without using up any of your battery charge (well, you can on mine anyway). In the recent unseasonably hot weather in the UK that's something I've been very pleased to have; more than pleased, smug in fact. No doubt I'll be equally pleased, and smug, if we have anything that looks like a winter this year - interior warm, any frost melted off and a toasty warm seat for my backside.

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There really is something quite amusing about watching your neighbour hurredly scrape ice off their windscreen as you get into your car, do a single swipe of the windscreen wiper and drive right off... all in a perfectly warm car with all windows demisted.

And in the summer months, I can get into a cool car, it works both ways.
Monkeh:

--- Quote from: gnuarm on August 21, 2022, 10:01:30 pm ---There are a lot of people with more vision privilege who are ready to buy right now.

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You know, I have plenty of vision, and a drive.. and absolutely no way to recoup the cost of even a second hand BEV within the next 10-15 years.

It's amazing how there are situations which differ from yours.
gnuarm:

--- Quote from: tom66 on August 21, 2022, 10:06:56 pm ---
--- Quote from: Cerebus on August 21, 2022, 09:34:01 pm ---Also when it's plugged in you can take advantage of the electrically driven climate control system to pre-condition your car for a particular departure time without using up any of your battery charge (well, you can on mine anyway). In the recent unseasonably hot weather in the UK that's something I've been very pleased to have; more than pleased, smug in fact. No doubt I'll be equally pleased, and smug, if we have anything that looks like a winter this year - interior warm, any frost melted off and a toasty warm seat for my backside.

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There really is something quite amusing about watching your neighbour hurredly scrape ice off their windscreen as you get into your car, do a single swipe of the windscreen wiper and drive right off... all in a perfectly warm car with all windows demisted.

And in the summer months, I can get into a cool car, it works both ways.

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I have a BEV and it's not quite that simple.  You have to take a few seconds to unplug the charging cable and hang it up!  And that's almost every day!!!  God, the tedium!

https://www.chargehanger.com/

At least you can keep it neat.
gnuarm:

--- Quote from: Monkeh on August 21, 2022, 10:56:27 pm ---
--- Quote from: gnuarm on August 21, 2022, 10:01:30 pm ---There are a lot of people with more vision privilege who are ready to buy right now.

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You know, I have plenty of vision, and a drive.. and absolutely no way to recoup the cost of even a second hand BEV within the next 10-15 years.

It's amazing how there are situations which differ from yours.

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If you can't recoup the price differential of a BEV over 15 years, maybe your mistake is driving!  You clearly drive so little, you should probably just use Uber or public transport.  Some people just shouldn't be driving, I guess.
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