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| Monkeh:
--- Quote from: gnuarm on August 21, 2022, 11:39:56 pm --- --- Quote from: Monkeh on August 21, 2022, 10:56:27 pm --- --- Quote from: gnuarm on August 21, 2022, 10:01:30 pm ---There are a lot of people with more vision privilege who are ready to buy right now. --- End quote --- You know, I have plenty of vision, and a drive.. and absolutely no way to recoup the cost of even a second hand BEV within the next 10-15 years. It's amazing how there are situations which differ from yours. --- End quote --- If you can't recoup the price differential of a BEV over 15 years, maybe your mistake is driving! You clearly drive so little, you should probably just use Uber or public transport. Some people just shouldn't be driving, I guess. --- End quote --- My mistake is engaging the wilfully ignorant. Still waiting on your suggestions for the streets I mentioned. tom66's suggestion is great, if only there were more than two feet of pavement and anyone was going to pay to dig up and properly reinstate the entire street to suit. But therein lies the issue: Who's paying to totally rebuild towns and cities? And no, the property owners won't - whether they live there or are renting it out. |
| sokoloff:
--- Quote from: Monkeh on August 22, 2022, 12:19:13 am ---My mistake is engaging the wilfully ignorant. --- End quote --- That appears to be an epidemic in this thread. |
| Someone:
--- Quote from: Monkeh on August 21, 2022, 10:56:27 pm --- --- Quote from: gnuarm on August 21, 2022, 10:01:30 pm ---There are a lot of people with more vision privilege who are ready to buy right now. --- End quote --- You know, I have plenty of vision, and a drive.. and absolutely no way to recoup the cost of even a second hand BEV within the next 10-15 years. It's amazing how there are situations which differ from yours. --- End quote --- Even without parking/charging access issues, BEVs dont stack up economically for many countries/use cases. Without subsidies and/or fleet/average fuel economy requirements (Australia as an example) BEVs are not cost competitive. Looking out 10-15 years requires a guess/bet on future energy prices, so is very hard to make any certain predictions. |
| gnuarm:
--- Quote from: Monkeh on August 22, 2022, 12:19:13 am --- --- Quote from: gnuarm on August 21, 2022, 11:39:56 pm --- --- Quote from: Monkeh on August 21, 2022, 10:56:27 pm --- --- Quote from: gnuarm on August 21, 2022, 10:01:30 pm ---There are a lot of people with more vision privilege who are ready to buy right now. --- End quote --- You know, I have plenty of vision, and a drive.. and absolutely no way to recoup the cost of even a second hand BEV within the next 10-15 years. It's amazing how there are situations which differ from yours. --- End quote --- If you can't recoup the price differential of a BEV over 15 years, maybe your mistake is driving! You clearly drive so little, you should probably just use Uber or public transport. Some people just shouldn't be driving, I guess. --- End quote --- My mistake is engaging the wilfully ignorant. Still waiting on your suggestions for the streets I mentioned. tom66's suggestion is great, if only there were more than two feet of pavement and anyone was going to pay to dig up and properly reinstate the entire street to suit. But therein lies the issue: Who's paying to totally rebuild towns and cities? And no, the property owners won't - whether they live there or are renting it out. --- End quote --- No one. The UK will forever be hopelessly out of date and irrelevant. That has been the path forward in the UK since the end of WWII. I'm glad you have come to this conclusion. |
| gnuarm:
--- Quote from: Someone on August 22, 2022, 01:11:39 am --- --- Quote from: Monkeh on August 21, 2022, 10:56:27 pm --- --- Quote from: gnuarm on August 21, 2022, 10:01:30 pm ---There are a lot of people with more vision privilege who are ready to buy right now. --- End quote --- You know, I have plenty of vision, and a drive.. and absolutely no way to recoup the cost of even a second hand BEV within the next 10-15 years. It's amazing how there are situations which differ from yours. --- End quote --- Even without parking/charging access issues, BEVs dont stack up economically for many countries/use cases. Without subsidies and/or fleet/average fuel economy requirements (Australia as an example) BEVs are not cost competitive. Looking out 10-15 years requires a guess/bet on future energy prices, so is very hard to make any certain predictions. --- End quote --- Not really. It is extremely unlikely that solar will increase in price. So if nothing else, you can cap your electric costs by installing solar. It is a safe bet that gasoline prices will go up. In 20 years, when there are barely any ICE left on the roads, the gasoline infrastructure will be largely dismantled and gas will both be very hard to find, and very expensive. |
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