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| Monkeh:
--- Quote from: tom66 on August 22, 2022, 12:45:28 pm ---The insurance on my 204 hp Golf PHEV was less than my 90 hp Peugeot 206 HDi diesel. It turns out the insurance profile of EV and PHEV drivers (Tesla probably excepted) is "boring old guy who likes efficiency". There are few better categories as far as insurers are concerned. --- End quote --- Interesting. I doubt it would be lower, but perhaps not as bad as feared. Doubt that'll last, mind. It could also be they have as low an opinion of the average Peugeot driver as I do.. |
| Cerebus:
--- Quote from: gnuarm on August 22, 2022, 08:44:54 am --- --- Quote from: Cerebus on August 22, 2022, 04:31:49 am --- --- Quote from: gnuarm on August 22, 2022, 01:37:38 am ---No one. The UK will forever be hopelessly out of date and irrelevant. That has been the path forward in the UK since the end of WWII. --- End quote --- Yes, yes, it is a great shame that the UK doesn't have any hope of keeping up with the achievements of places like Puerto Rico. --- End quote --- Exactly. It's not about ability, it's about mindset. We are limited by what we think we can do. --- End quote --- Well, I glad that you finally admit that you're limited by what you think you can do. Which clearly is sadly little given the lack of any concrete suggests you've managed to come up with for the problems people have described. --- Quote --- Oh, and if you are going to dis a group, you might at least learn something about them. For starters, Puerto Rico is not a country. It's a US territory. So all your negative BS is misplaced. Compare the Nobel Prize winners of the US to the UK. 400 vs the not even close 138 for the second place UK. Yeah, that is embarrassing for you. Why are you being so petty? I was simply trying to make a point with sarcasm. So many people from the UK have such a defeatist attitude about BEVs. It makes me wonder how the UK ever got anything done. There has to be someone in the UK that can figure it out. I guess it will take a while to find that one person. --- End quote --- I'm petty? You've been harping on dissing the UK for days now with no comeback from anyone and the first time you get a return shot across the bows using actual sarcasm you call it petty. Also you clearly don't know what sarcasm is, as that's very much not the tool you've been using, just simple rudeness to deflect from when you can't muster an argument that has enough backbone to stand on its own. If Puerto Rico isn't a country but part of the US where are your seats in the US senate and congress? On yes you haven't got any, so you're not actually part of the US unlike Hawaii. You are just a US protectorate, one of the castoffs of the stillborn US empire, so to claim what the US has achieved as your own is just stolen valour. Now if you're not going to even try to add something useful to the discussion, just wave your hands and be rude to people, is there really any point in you continuing to participate in it? |
| Cerebus:
--- Quote from: pcprogrammer on August 22, 2022, 06:14:54 am --- --- Quote from: Cerebus on August 21, 2022, 09:34:01 pm ---Also when it's plugged in you can take advantage of the electrically driven climate control system to pre-condition your car for a particular departure time without using up any of your battery charge (well, you can on mine anyway). In the recent unseasonably hot weather in the UK that's something I've been very pleased to have; more than pleased, smug in fact. No doubt I'll be equally pleased, and smug, if we have anything that looks like a winter this year - interior warm, any frost melted off and a toasty warm seat for my backside. --- End quote --- I'm not judging, but these luxuries use energy, and as long as not all energy comes from "renewables" it counteracts the whole purpose of the changeover to a BEV. Sure ICE owners turn on the engine to heat the windshield and warm the car before they start driving, which is also very bad. I make it a habit to first do what is needed to prepare for driving and start the car when ready to take of. Already did so when I was still working. Just put on a pair of gloves and use a good scraper to clear the windshield. Furthermore it shows the big flaw in the whole idea of counteracting the human impact on nature. The human race should reduce consumption of especially energy in the fight against climate change. But what we do is just the opposite. Sure I have build myself a big house I keep warm in winter, but don't need to cool in summer. Like to play the no children card here :) Read SiliconWizard his post here: https://www.eevblog.com/forum/dodgy-technology/why-no-dodgy-quantum-entanglement-technology/msg4372342/#msg4372342 It reflects what I'm saying. The whole energy transition thing is still aimed at a growing and not stabilizing economy. People are very concerned about the environment and climate change and sooth their conscience with owning a BEV, installing solar panels, switching to green energy and recycling, but it should not impact their lives to the extend that they can't have three vacations a year or what other luxuries they enjoy. --- End quote --- Nevertheless, we do need to heat our environment, and in recent years it has even become necessary in the UK to cool it on occasion - the recent spells of record breaking 40ÂșC weather are witness to that. I've only had the car since March so I can't speak to its efficiency in heating, but the pre-conditioning system in cooling mode has used a maximum of 250Wh on the one occasion I used it for a whole 30 minutes. Mostly it uses much less - it usually only needs at most 10 minutes to get the car from "too hot to touch the seats or steering wheel" to "comfortable". That's impressively efficient. Personally I wouldn't have opted for air conditioning in a car, it's not something that I've ever specified when it comes as an optional extra, but it just came with the package. What I'm finding is that EVs, be they PHEV or BEV, are targeting a sector that is way above "basic transport". With a few minor exceptions, all the EVs being launched, marketed and sold at the moment range from relatively large to huge. It's a trend for the car market as a whole - you only have to look at the Mini and Fiat 500 models on sale, both ICE and electric, and compare them to the original models that held those names a few years back to see this. The mini has gone from around 600 kg in the original to around 1200 kg in the present form, the Cinquecento from a 499 kg original to around 1000 kg in present form. I have myself described a lot of the activity around EVs as "greenwashing" and while the trend for vehicles to get bigger and bigger year on year continues I don't really see that changing. I didn't have a lot of choice about replacing my 24 year old, lightweight, very efficient ICE car. Ironically two of the things driving those events were "green" levies being imposed on ICE vehicles in London. I was lucky and found a newish secondhand PHEV that was within what I was prepared to spend and since I've had it easily 80% of the mileage that I've done has been on electricity from plug-in charging. It's certainly less polluting locally, most likely more efficient and less polluting globally but yes, it's a much larger car than I would have chosen had I had a completely free choice, and had I been able to keep and operate the old car I suspect that, especially when taking embodied energy into account, the old car would have been less polluting to operate in absolute terms. Unlike the pronouncements from some individuals here we don't have a completely free choice in what we do. I was constrained by circumstances, budget, what was actually available and by local and national politics. I made what seems to me to have been the best compromise for the least ongoing environmental impact and that has had the side effect that I ended up with a luxury car, not out of explicit choice but simply because that's the way the dice fell as much as I could control them. So, in those circumstances I am going to use the features that the car came with, not cut off my nose to spite my face, nor wear a hair shirt when I've got a perfectly serviceable Jermyn Street one to wear. |
| nctnico:
About airconditioning in a car: Personally I consider it a safety feature. It has been scientifically proven the human brain doesn't work well at high temperatures. |
| pcprogrammer:
@Cerebus, don't get me wrong, it was no personal attack on you. Just an observation on society in its whole. And you are right about that free choice is not always an option. More and more cities are implementing rules about what type of cars are allowed on the streets and what penalties you pay when you have the "wrong" one. Diesel cars are frowned upon quite heavily. Also by making parking more difficult your choice for owning a car gets limited. Our old car was 17 years old and the French government had a very good deal for us on trade in. As we have no income apart from some interest on savings we fall in a tax bracket that allowed a grant of 3000 euro back for our old car as long as it got scrapped. We did look into a more environmental friendly option, but the prices are to high. Now we have a ~2 year old Ford Fiesta with enough horse power to drive comfortably in the hills, which the old one lacked a bit, and it has a better fuel economy then the old one. ~5.5L/100Km. We drive maybe 8000Km per year, of which ~50% is from twice a year a trip to visit the parents in the Netherlands. To compensate a bit I switch of my internet every night. (Mostly because it saves money :) ) This means 1 fiber to ethernet converter, 2 wireless routers in series (one controlled by my ISP) and a switch. Not a lot, but every bit helps. |
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