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Cerebus:

--- Quote from: tom66 on August 23, 2022, 02:49:46 pm ---The secondary issue is if you have low/zero air pollution zones how can you really allow PHEVs into that - there is no way to know externally if the car is running electric or petrol. 

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The latest version of the BMW 330e has geofencing built in, it will automatically switch to electric inside a geofenced "green zone". I don't know how it handles an "out of charge" situation inside or approaching a geofenced zone.
Cerebus:

--- Quote from: gnuarm on August 23, 2022, 04:39:07 pm ---When the facts can no longer be argued, some resort to ad hominem. 

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When the facts are being ignored one knows one is either talking to someone with a fixed religious-like belief system, a troll, or an idiot. At that point you can't ignore the facts about the person who is failing to follow the argument/discussion and just being rude, sarcastic* or dismissive of anyone and anything that disagrees with them.

* Congratulations by the way, you actually kind of managed some proper sarcasm today rather than merely being rude and dismissive.
tszaboo:

--- Quote from: tom66 on August 23, 2022, 02:49:46 pm ---The biggest problem with PHEVs is they are impossible to tax and incentivise correctly, at least if you still have regular petrol hybrids.

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That's the exact right wording of the problem.
Like Germany. People were buying these as company cars, and never plugging it to the wall. Why? Because you still got a petrol card, that allowed you to buy petrol to the company's expense, but you couldn't get the same benefit for electricity. It's just bad policy.
I could use a PHEV maybe 90% in electric mode, yet I'm to be taxed almost as an ICE. And this is happening in the 21 century, where it would take a very minimal effort to be able to send telemetry data to the tax office (let's just ignore the data protection aspects of this). So we are not switching to a superior tech, due to policies  :palm:.
And yes, the infamous Outlander. I think most of those were exported from here when the incentives ran out. Talk about being in the right place at the right time.
Miyuki:
All this tax-free BEV is BS
I know it is meant to support its adoption
But it has no logical reason, it uses the same roads and presents that same danger to the public (it is still 2 ton metal box on wheels)
But with the current BEV position on the market when it is in Luxury or at least the top of the menu
It is just a support for the wealthy portion of the population
And with wider adoption, they will have to increase taxes anyway because there will be only a few ICE to tax and governments need this huge tax revenue
Cerebus:

--- Quote from: Miyuki on August 24, 2022, 10:44:57 am ---All this tax-free BEV is BS
I know it is meant to support its adoption

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Unfortunately it seems that the only way governments seem to know how to try and discourage or encourage things these days is either with money (grants or taxes) or criminalisation. Gone are the days when they tried to inform or mould public opinion with things like educational films/adverts. In particular relation to roads related things, in my youth you'd see short road safety films on the state broadcaster (BBC) all the time, in recent years all you get is the semi-annual anti-drink driving campaign in the run up to Christmas, and perhaps once every few years you'll see a road safety advert but they are few and far between.

The UK Highway Code rules changed back in January. Back in the past such a thing would have been attended with lots of publicity to inform the public, on this occasion there was none, zip, nada. The only reason I knew about them was I follow a driving instructor on You Tube (Ashley Neal) who does educational road safety videos and it was his content that drew my attention to the changes. The government made no effort at all, which means that currently UK drivers are driving to two sets of rules depending on whether they've learned about the new rules or not. I can't prove it, but I suspect that this failure is down to my first suggestion, namely that there's no way to use money or criminalisation to incentivise adoption of the new rules so they didn't really know how to do it.
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