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vodka:
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--- Quote from: ataradov on March 13, 2020, 04:07:26 pm ---TP is gone everywhere. It is surreal. I thought it was just memes. But yesterday I went to buy some tea and saw that there was not a roll of TP in the whole store. This is just stupid.
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Well, I thought it was as well, but when you see that an increasing number of countries are urging people to stay home - and no one really knows for how long, we can already suspect that 15 days will become 30, then 45, then... who knows? Many say that it will last at least until summer (it may even get worse by then due to conditions), so if you're stuck home for that long, you better have the necessities I guess. This is looking bad.
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This isn't China where they bolt your door shut, you will be able to go out and buy necessities like food, medicine and even that TP. Or a relative or a colleague could always resupply you if required. There are also home delivery services. Or one can always make a deal with a neighbor to bring you supplies if you are sick and must stay at home.
Don't panic, people. Stockpiling food and such will only make the food to go to waste (can you imagine eating pasta for a month??) and panic buying and hoarding will cause empty shelves because no store can restock it that fast - causing even more panic and shortages.
Nobody is going to die from hunger or lack of TP, so don't be stupid.
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The chinese goverment don't allow go out of home for buying meal? do you really believe this?.
Then this is a paranormal phenophenomenon in the Comunist Regim China
https://youtu.be/k2Da3bdzGBY?t=666
iMo:
What do you do during that 0.5h left?
SiliconWizard:
--- Quote from: ataradov on March 13, 2020, 04:15:13 pm ---But you won't be sitting home 24/7 for 45 days. You still still have to go grocery shopping, may be much less and being more careful, but still. You can pick up some TP at the same time.
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Thing is, nobody knows at this point what we will or won't be allowed to do.
We can just suppose governments will have to find reasonable ways of handling this so people don't starve. And yes we have the example of China, which so far managed to take pretty drastic steps without wreaking complete havoc. But how long would this be sustainable?
--- Quote from: ataradov on March 13, 2020, 04:15:13 pm ---Why hoard it?
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It's a very common behavior. I've seen people hoard supplies at the slightest sign of shortage, so this should not be surprising at all. Given that there are even more unknowns here than usual, it's understandable. The only way to stop this is either to reassure people in a clear way - which may not be enough - or forbid it altogether by setting up supply quotas. Now this is really going to look like war time.
Siwastaja:
Stocking some foodstuff that does not go bad quickly is a very sensible thing to do, but people should do that normally, without any crisis going on. At the very least, do what I did, and stockpile something weeks before the others do, so that you are not a part of the supply problem. If people did it a month earlier on average, buying stuff would spread out over several weeks, and the supply chain would have time to react through its normal feedback loops. Also being early, before the panic, allows you to make rational decisions (of not buying foodstuff that goes bad because you don't want to eat them).
I stocked some basic foods weeks before the large-scale public panic (which started here yesterday, and will get much worse because the authorities and the government have totally fucked up everything in the traditional, totally expected Finnish "the most important think is to fake keeping cool, and if there is even a small risk of looking stupid by overreacting, it's better to underreact, and nothing bad will ever happen in Finland" way. For example, people coming directly from northern Italy, with the symptoms on while already on the plane, were not only not quarantined, but also denied testing, despite numerous attempts to get treatment! But our public healthcare system which we once were proud of, has already nearly crashed even before the corona, so it's only to be expected. Oh, sorry for the sidetrack...)
Optimally, it's stuff that you like to eat in any case, and which won't expire in two years or so. If you have a stockpile for one month with stuff that expires in two years, it means you need to eat that stuff from the stockpile FIFO regularly at 4.2% duty cycle - 95.8% of the food you eat can be outside of your stock FIFO. You just need to come up with a way so that you remember to use the stockpile every now and then (and to restock it).
But being a responsible (for yourself, and your close ones) adult is, IMHO, understanding and managing things like this. It's not too hard. If you can design a frequency compensation network, you should be able to do it.
Siwastaja:
--- Quote from: blueskull on March 13, 2020, 05:46:55 pm ---I understand hoarding, but why TP?
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You could theoretize that there is no direct replacement - the washing procedure you describe is not certainly normal for many Westeners. By comparison, there literally are hundreds of different kinds of "foods" you can stockpile, so it doesn't completely focus on one certain type of foodstuff. We are very accustomed to eating as many different kinds of foods as possible anyway, but we always get the same toilet paper.
Maybe, additionally, people lose track of how much they consume. They think that it's the same thing to buy "1 unit" of toilet paper, and "1 unit" of food, while in reality, you need only maybe 0.05 units of toilet paper per 1 unit of food. (Whatever the unit is. For toilet paper, the units are already quite large! I bet if they sold 1 roll at the time instead of, say, 12, people would by 1/12th of the rolls they do now, i.e., same number of units!)
In any case, it's kind of funny. While stocking some food, toilet paper didn't even cross my mind.
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