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Coronavirus cure
Gyro:
Accoding to the text, his much vaunted Hydroxychloroquine drug actually increased the death rate in a study on military veterans in a US government run hospital too. I wonder if they got a choice? ::)
How does the Monopoly card go? 'Read what's on the paper in front of you, do not deviate from what's written on the paper in front of you, do not pass go, do not collect $200'.
DrG:
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--- Quote from: Gyro on April 24, 2020, 12:04:35 pm ---Accoding to the text, his much vaunted Hydroxychloroquine drug actually increased the death rate in a study on military veterans in a US government run hospital too. I wonder if they got a choice? ::)
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Don'y really like the orange fur ball, but in his defense, I must say people don't get treated with a potentially deadly drug without a reason.
Chances are those groups being treated with the drug are more severe cases to begin with.
In other words, the survival rate difference could just be contributed by survivor's bias.
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Conventionally, in the US, drugs are approved for a particular purpose. That approval is based not only on studies demonstrating safety, but studies demonstrating efficacy for the condition.
Once a drug has been approved for use, Doctors can and do prescribe the drug to patients with a different condition than the one the drug has been approved for.
Usually, this is called “open label” or “off label” use. In my view, in the great majority of cases, this is done responsibly.
In relatively few instances, there is something generally called “compassionate use” in which a treatment that has not shown specific efficacy is used with full consent and as something of a last resort.
Because we don’t go around giving people Covid-19 or placebo in a random drug trial, you are going to deal with some harsh realities. In these cases, we will only have the observational data to report – but that is still much better than no data.
Chloroquine drugs are known to carry significant risk and MDs know this, so, yes, they are not going to prescribe the drug for “the heck of it”.
The problem (in this case) with the “Orange Plague” is that he should not be talking about treatments at all because he is obviously clueless and embarrassing so. I actually feel pity for the legitimate SMEs who sit back there and must be ulcerating on a daily basis.
maginnovision:
--- Quote from: blueskull on April 24, 2020, 02:53:30 pm ---
--- Quote from: Gyro on April 24, 2020, 12:04:35 pm ---Accoding to the text, his much vaunted Hydroxychloroquine drug actually increased the death rate in a study on military veterans in a US government run hospital too. I wonder if they got a choice? ::)
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Don'y really like the orange fur ball, but in his defense, I must say people don't get treated with a potentially deadly drug without a reason.
Chances are those groups being treated with the drug are more severe cases to begin with.
In other words, the survival rate difference could just be contributed by survivor's bias.
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This is also just one study of many and as I understand they ran it with two groups. One that got less than the recommended dosage and one that got OVER the recommended. The over the recommended group is the group that was harmed. As far as I know people all of a sudden pointed this study out because most studies were positive but people hate trump so really LIKED this study. The jury is still out though. Until we have many studies conducted properly we can't say what the verdict will be. All over the world people are trying to find something to combat this long and short term and I think the over reacting to every single piece of news is pretty dumb.
maginnovision:
--- Quote from: Gyro on April 24, 2020, 08:02:25 am ---Yay, the internal UV and disinfectant cure... or how to make your medical expert look really uncomfortable on camera! :-DD
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52407177
Just in case anyone gets any ideas, let's not try this one at home folks! :scared:
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If you actually care about what's going on here, which I suspect you don't, I'd recommend you watch the press briefings on the official wh.gov youtube channel. They're not edited, nobody is adding their opinion, and they aren't removing context. This way you can make up your own mind and at the very least you do know exactly what happened and what was said as you read the news.
Gyro:
I did watch it. Live! With full context!
Did you?
Edit: ... but today he says he was being sarcastic, so that's ok then! ::)
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