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SiliconWizard:

--- Quote from: blueskull on April 24, 2020, 02:53:30 pm ---
--- Quote from: Gyro on April 24, 2020, 12:04:35 pm ---Accoding to the text, his much vaunted Hydroxychloroquine drug actually increased the death rate in a study on military veterans in a US government run hospital too. I wonder if they got a choice?  ::)

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Don'y really like the orange fur ball, but in his defense, I must say people don't get treated with a potentially deadly drug without a reason.
Chances are those groups being treated with the drug are more severe cases to begin with.
In other words, the survival rate difference could just be contributed by survivor's bias.

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I do agree with this. We're not talking about self-medication or gurus prescribing drugs here, but MDs doing their job. They know the drugs, their possible side-effects, and will use them to the best of their knowledge if they think this will give the patient more chance than without.

This whole debate is ridiculous - hydroxychloroquine has been tested and suggested as a possible last resort thing by a few specialists, it's not just a lunatic thing. I know Trump bashing is a sport, but he didn't mention it randomly - it was suggested by specialists. Of course he should have refrained his enthusiasm, but that doesn't automatically make the thing stupid and useless. Yes he should probably just shut up, but that doesn't change anything. Just because he said something doesn't mean MDs will suddenly follow his random talks blindly. To sum it up: except maybe for a few lunatics that will try to self-medicate while obtaining the drug without prescripton, I don't think it has any consequence.

No one ever said that was the ultimate solution, nor without risk. It's still up to each doctor to decide what to do. Some (still preliminary) studies seem to suggest a benefit, some none, and some a negative outcome. All of them are still extremely preliminary and could not, in a normal situation, pass as valid for deciding to put some drug on the market. We still don't even completely understand what this virus does and how. The only thing behind it is that we know hydroxychloroquine has proven efficiency helping to fight a number of infectious diseases - and even in those proven cases, we don't completely understand why. Medicine is not engineering.

maginnovision:

--- Quote from: Gyro on April 24, 2020, 07:31:13 pm ---I did watch it. Live! With full context!

Did you?

Edit: ... but today he says he was being sarcastic, so that's ok then!  ::)

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I watch them live every day. Then I read news articles full of errors and I'm confused if they saw the same thing I saw. I also don't understand why asking questions is a problem for you? For the disinfectants he clearly said for cleaning things, like objects, and for the light it's not as out there as you think.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4783265/

Monkeh:

--- Quote from: maginnovision on April 24, 2020, 07:46:13 pm ---
--- Quote from: Gyro on April 24, 2020, 07:31:13 pm ---I did watch it. Live! With full context!

Did you?

Edit: ... but today he says he was being sarcastic, so that's ok then!  ::)

--- End quote ---

I watch them live every day. Then I read news articles full of errors and I'm confused if they saw the same thing I saw. I also don't understand why asking questions is a problem for you? For the disinfectants he clearly said for cleaning things

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--- Quote ---And is there a way we can do something like that, uh, by injection inside or or almost a cleaning because you see it gets on the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs
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If by 'things' you mean 'lungs'..

Gyro:

--- Quote from: maginnovision on April 24, 2020, 07:46:13 pm ---
--- Quote from: Gyro on April 24, 2020, 07:31:13 pm ---I did watch it. Live! With full context!

Did you?

Edit: ... but today he says he was being sarcastic, so that's ok then!  ::)

--- End quote ---

I watch them live every day. Then I read news articles full of errors and I'm confused if they saw the same thing I saw. I also don't understand why asking questions is a problem for you? For the disinfectants he clearly said for cleaning things, like objects, and for the light it's not as out there as you think.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4783265/

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Sure, UV is long known for it's antiseptic properties and for therapeutic uses, treatment of Vitamin D deficiency before oral Vitamin D avaliability, light therapy for babies with high levels of bilirubin etc. but suggesting using UV internally?  :-//

I do care by the way. There are far too many gullible people out there (not just in the US) who will believe, and try to act on these sort of 'suggestions' sarcastic or otherwise.

P.S. If that wasn't the case, Reckitt Benckiser wouldn't have felt the need to warn against internal use of their Disinfectant products today.

maginnovision:

--- Quote from: Monkeh on April 24, 2020, 07:54:37 pm ---
--- Quote from: maginnovision on April 24, 2020, 07:46:13 pm ---
--- Quote from: Gyro on April 24, 2020, 07:31:13 pm ---I did watch it. Live! With full context!

Did you?

Edit: ... but today he says he was being sarcastic, so that's ok then!  ::)

--- End quote ---

I watch them live every day. Then I read news articles full of errors and I'm confused if they saw the same thing I saw. I also don't understand why asking questions is a problem for you? For the disinfectants he clearly said for cleaning things

--- End quote ---

...


--- Quote ---And is there a way we can do something like that, uh, by injection inside or or almost a cleaning because you see it gets on the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs
--- End quote ---

If by 'things' you mean 'lungs'..

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No, and he clarified that later in the same briefing when a reporter asked.


--- Quote from: Gyro on April 24, 2020, 07:56:05 pm ---
--- Quote from: maginnovision on April 24, 2020, 07:46:13 pm ---
--- Quote from: Gyro on April 24, 2020, 07:31:13 pm ---I did watch it. Live! With full context!

Did you?

Edit: ... but today he says he was being sarcastic, so that's ok then!  ::)

--- End quote ---

I watch them live every day. Then I read news articles full of errors and I'm confused if they saw the same thing I saw. I also don't understand why asking questions is a problem for you? For the disinfectants he clearly said for cleaning things, like objects, and for the light it's not as out there as you think.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4783265/

--- End quote ---

Sure, UV is long known for it's antiseptic properties and for therapeutic uses, treatment of Vitamin D deficiency before oral Vitamin D avaliability, light therapy for babies with high levels of bilirubin etc. but suggesting using UV internally?  :-//

I do care by the way. There are far too many gullible people out there (not just in the US) who will believe, and try to act on these sort of 'suggestions' sarcastic or otherwise.

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Whether it has any benefits or not there has been research into UV probes. Since I don't know that there is any conclusive evidence I won't say it works or not. He seems pretty desperate to find something that works right now. He's a christian and they're very hopeful and typically don't like to see people suffer. The only people who appear to have acted on what you call suggestions, and he hasn't suggested anybody try to treat themselves yet, are the democrat donors who took fish cleaner. The guy who died(from the cleaning tablets that contained some form of chloroquine) was an engineer who was just doing what his wife said not trump.

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