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Re: Coronavirus cure
« Reply #125 on: April 24, 2020, 07:36:24 pm »
Accoding to the text, his much vaunted Hydroxychloroquine drug actually increased the death rate in a study on military veterans in a US government run hospital too. I wonder if they got a choice?  ::)

Don'y really like the orange fur ball, but in his defense, I must say people don't get treated with a potentially deadly drug without a reason.
Chances are those groups being treated with the drug are more severe cases to begin with.
In other words, the survival rate difference could just be contributed by survivor's bias.

I do agree with this. We're not talking about self-medication or gurus prescribing drugs here, but MDs doing their job. They know the drugs, their possible side-effects, and will use them to the best of their knowledge if they think this will give the patient more chance than without.

This whole debate is ridiculous - hydroxychloroquine has been tested and suggested as a possible last resort thing by a few specialists, it's not just a lunatic thing. I know Trump bashing is a sport, but he didn't mention it randomly - it was suggested by specialists. Of course he should have refrained his enthusiasm, but that doesn't automatically make the thing stupid and useless. Yes he should probably just shut up, but that doesn't change anything. Just because he said something doesn't mean MDs will suddenly follow his random talks blindly. To sum it up: except maybe for a few lunatics that will try to self-medicate while obtaining the drug without prescripton, I don't think it has any consequence.

No one ever said that was the ultimate solution, nor without risk. It's still up to each doctor to decide what to do. Some (still preliminary) studies seem to suggest a benefit, some none, and some a negative outcome. All of them are still extremely preliminary and could not, in a normal situation, pass as valid for deciding to put some drug on the market. We still don't even completely understand what this virus does and how. The only thing behind it is that we know hydroxychloroquine has proven efficiency helping to fight a number of infectious diseases - and even in those proven cases, we don't completely understand why. Medicine is not engineering.

 

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Re: Coronavirus cure
« Reply #126 on: April 24, 2020, 07:46:13 pm »
I did watch it. Live! With full context!

Did you?

Edit: ... but today he says he was being sarcastic, so that's ok then!  ::)

I watch them live every day. Then I read news articles full of errors and I'm confused if they saw the same thing I saw. I also don't understand why asking questions is a problem for you? For the disinfectants he clearly said for cleaning things, like objects, and for the light it's not as out there as you think.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4783265/
 

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Re: Coronavirus cure
« Reply #127 on: April 24, 2020, 07:54:37 pm »
I did watch it. Live! With full context!

Did you?

Edit: ... but today he says he was being sarcastic, so that's ok then!  ::)

I watch them live every day. Then I read news articles full of errors and I'm confused if they saw the same thing I saw. I also don't understand why asking questions is a problem for you? For the disinfectants he clearly said for cleaning things

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And is there a way we can do something like that, uh, by injection inside or or almost a cleaning because you see it gets on the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs

If by 'things' you mean 'lungs'..
 

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« Reply #128 on: April 24, 2020, 07:56:05 pm »
I did watch it. Live! With full context!

Did you?

Edit: ... but today he says he was being sarcastic, so that's ok then!  ::)

I watch them live every day. Then I read news articles full of errors and I'm confused if they saw the same thing I saw. I also don't understand why asking questions is a problem for you? For the disinfectants he clearly said for cleaning things, like objects, and for the light it's not as out there as you think.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4783265/

Sure, UV is long known for it's antiseptic properties and for therapeutic uses, treatment of Vitamin D deficiency before oral Vitamin D avaliability, light therapy for babies with high levels of bilirubin etc. but suggesting using UV internally:-//

I do care by the way. There are far too many gullible people out there (not just in the US) who will believe, and try to act on these sort of 'suggestions' sarcastic or otherwise.

P.S. If that wasn't the case, Reckitt Benckiser wouldn't have felt the need to warn against internal use of their Disinfectant products today.
« Last Edit: April 24, 2020, 08:03:53 pm by Gyro »
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Re: Coronavirus cure
« Reply #129 on: April 24, 2020, 07:57:29 pm »
I did watch it. Live! With full context!

Did you?

Edit: ... but today he says he was being sarcastic, so that's ok then!  ::)

I watch them live every day. Then I read news articles full of errors and I'm confused if they saw the same thing I saw. I also don't understand why asking questions is a problem for you? For the disinfectants he clearly said for cleaning things

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And is there a way we can do something like that, uh, by injection inside or or almost a cleaning because you see it gets on the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs

If by 'things' you mean 'lungs'..

No, and he clarified that later in the same briefing when a reporter asked.

I did watch it. Live! With full context!

Did you?

Edit: ... but today he says he was being sarcastic, so that's ok then!  ::)

I watch them live every day. Then I read news articles full of errors and I'm confused if they saw the same thing I saw. I also don't understand why asking questions is a problem for you? For the disinfectants he clearly said for cleaning things, like objects, and for the light it's not as out there as you think.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4783265/

Sure, UV is long known for it's antiseptic properties and for therapeutic uses, treatment of Vitamin D deficiency before oral Vitamin D avaliability, light therapy for babies with high levels of bilirubin etc. but suggesting using UV internally:-//

I do care by the way. There are far too many gullible people out there (not just in the US) who will believe, and try to act on these sort of 'suggestions' sarcastic or otherwise.

Whether it has any benefits or not there has been research into UV probes. Since I don't know that there is any conclusive evidence I won't say it works or not. He seems pretty desperate to find something that works right now. He's a christian and they're very hopeful and typically don't like to see people suffer. The only people who appear to have acted on what you call suggestions, and he hasn't suggested anybody try to treat themselves yet, are the democrat donors who took fish cleaner. The guy who died(from the cleaning tablets that contained some form of chloroquine) was an engineer who was just doing what his wife said not trump.
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Re: Coronavirus cure
« Reply #130 on: April 24, 2020, 08:01:16 pm »
No what? No, that's not what he said? But.. it is.

His mouth seems to be directly attached to his brain. What comes out of his brain is.. not reassuring.
 

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« Reply #131 on: April 24, 2020, 08:12:35 pm »
He was asking about injections of who knows what, there were like 3 people talking and trump was talking to someone off camera, and later when a reporter asked about injecting disinfectants he said no we'd be using that for cleaning objects. Presumably meaning, floors, tables, doorknobs, of course the people who don't like trump assume... lungs. I'd have to go back and re-watch or check the transcripts, I don't have perfect recall... Not by far. I'm not a trump apologist but at some point I feel like things need to be clarified so people don't go crazy.
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Re: Coronavirus cure
« Reply #132 on: April 24, 2020, 08:19:15 pm »
He was asking about injections of who knows what, there were like 3 people talking and trump was talking to someone off camera, and later when a reporter asked about injecting disinfectants he said no we'd be using that for cleaning objects. Presumably meaning, floors, tables, doorknobs, of course the people who don't like trump assume... lungs. I'd have to go back and re-watch or check the transcripts, I don't have perfect recall... Not by far. I'm not a trump apologist but at some point I feel like things need to be clarified so people don't go crazy.

Let me just extend that quote then..

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And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in a minute, one minute, and is there a way we can do something like that, uh, by injection inside or or almost a cleaning because you see it gets on the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it'd be interesting to check that, so that - you're going to have to use medical doctors with, but it sounds, it sounds interesting to me

https://youtu.be/PsQnfpfIa_o?t=1610

Disinfectant, in context, meaning bleach or isopropyl alcohol, the two things they'd discussed having tested as surface cleaners. He simply decided to latch on to the idea of using these to clean the insides of people..
 
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Re: Coronavirus cure
« Reply #133 on: April 24, 2020, 08:28:44 pm »
When he injects people with alcohol let me know.
 

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Re: Coronavirus cure
« Reply #134 on: April 24, 2020, 08:50:39 pm »
The guy who died(from the cleaning tablets that contained some form of chloroquine) was an engineer who was just doing what his wife said not trump.
And guess where his wife got the idea??? Over here a company nearby which produces chloroquine needed police protection when Trump stated it could be effective against a Corona virus infection.

The whole point is that Trump should refrain from any statement that can be (remotely) interpreted as medical advice because people don't register the nuances (if there are any). The proof is in several of the recent posts.
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« Reply #135 on: April 24, 2020, 09:04:02 pm »
Seriously? Anyone taking medical "advice" from a random talk of their president instead of taking it from a medical professional would be dumb. Sorry. You don't go to your president to get a consultation.
 

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« Reply #136 on: April 24, 2020, 09:04:44 pm »
My point with that was his wife wanted a divorce and didn't like him. She didn't have him take it, and she didn't take it, because they believed trump. She had called him the psycho in chief. She likely found what its effects were and decided to have him take a significant amount. For what it's worth hydroxychloroquine appears to be much safer as a therapeutic compared to standard chloroquine. I get it though he can't talk because people might hear it. I'm sure he'll heed that advice.
 

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Re: Coronavirus cure
« Reply #137 on: April 24, 2020, 09:28:56 pm »
Don'y really like the orange fur ball, but in his defense, I must say people don't get treated with a potentially deadly drug without a reason.
Chances are those groups being treated with the drug are more severe cases to begin with.
In other words, the survival rate difference could just be contributed by survivor's bias.
He's apparently not happy about air pollution levels going down so he wants to relax the standards to make them go back up. Really the wrong thing to do when there is clear evidence that air pollution makes COVID-19 worse.
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« Reply #138 on: April 24, 2020, 09:34:21 pm »
Seriously? Anyone taking medical "advice" from a random talk of their president instead of taking it from a medical professional would be dumb. Sorry. You don't go to your president to get a consultation.

No you don't go to your president to get a consultation, but when he spouts this stuff it's much more like him coming to you, and yes, there are an awful lot of dumb people.

As nctnico says, the whole point is that Trump should refrain from any statement that can be (remotely) interpreted as medical advice. Even Boris doesn't do that!

(I don't know if Bolsinaro does)
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Re: Coronavirus cure
« Reply #139 on: April 24, 2020, 09:38:43 pm »
Seriously? Anyone taking medical "advice" from a random talk of their president instead of taking it from a medical professional would be dumb. Sorry. You don't go to your president to get a consultation.
You know it, I know it, people should know it, if not... then Darwin is having a good day. At some point you can't fix stupid.
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Re: Coronavirus cure
« Reply #140 on: April 24, 2020, 09:39:08 pm »
Seriously? Anyone taking medical "advice" from a random talk of their president instead of taking it from a medical professional would be dumb. Sorry. You don't go to your president to get a consultation.

No you don't go to your president to get a consultation, but when he spouts this stuff it's much more like him coming to you, and yes, there are an awful lot of dumb people.

As nctnico says, the whole point is that Trump should refrain from any statement that can be (remotely) interpreted as medical advice. Even Boris doesn't do that!

I dunno. 1/ You may be overestimating the number of people dumb enough to do that, 2/ as someone else said earlier (don't remember who), you could  see this as a form of natural selection, and not worry about it so much.

But at this point, I'm sure 1/ applies here, as the number of dumb cases like this is ridiculously low, so frankly this is much ado about nothing.
 

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« Reply #141 on: April 24, 2020, 09:45:09 pm »
Sigh, you're probably right.  :-\

It should improve his viewing figures for tonight anyway (maybe that's all he wanted all along - any publicity is good publicity?).
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Re: Coronavirus cure
« Reply #142 on: April 25, 2020, 06:17:09 pm »
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This is priceless! A quack running the company that sells dilute bleach for people to drink as a miracle cure, wrote to the Donald (Moron in Chief).. and now Donald recommends it in his propagana briefing!

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/24/revealed-leader-group-peddling-bleach-cure-lobbied-trump-coronavirus

It really is amazing how such a dangerous idiot got to be President.
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« Reply #143 on: April 25, 2020, 06:23:55 pm »
Well, a good dose of chlorine dioxide can "cure" pretty much any condition for good. :-DD
 

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« Reply #144 on: April 25, 2020, 06:30:02 pm »
No what? No, that's not what he said? But.. it is.

His mouth seems to be directly attached to his brain. What comes out of his brain is.. not reassuring.

brain?... are you sure?  :-DD
 

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« Reply #145 on: April 25, 2020, 07:50:38 pm »
It really is amazing how such a dangerous idiot got to be President.

It is really amazing how you so smart genius have not got to be President.

Who is an idiot here is clear then.
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« Reply #146 on: April 25, 2020, 07:52:28 pm »
It really is amazing how such a dangerous idiot got to be President.

It is really amazing how you so smart genius have not got to be President.

Who is an idiot here is clear then.

.. it's shocking how a British citizen hasn't managed to become the President of the United States of Not Bloody Britain, isn't it?
 
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« Reply #147 on: April 25, 2020, 08:15:23 pm »
What happened to this thread? It has become who has the bigger idiot? C'mon you guys....





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« Reply #148 on: April 25, 2020, 09:47:54 pm »
DT is IRL trolling for 2 years now, those dumbfucks who still take him seriously certainly deserve the Darwin award.
Probably the same group of people who send money to Nigerian princes.

And I much rather have a trolling DT than warmongering Bush or the Nobel price president that starts a couple of wars, dronebombs civilians and keeps Guantanamo bay running.
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« Reply #149 on: May 02, 2020, 02:11:19 pm »

The ozone therapy may be a solution for Covid. Injecting ozone via intravenous, it achieves to improve the oxygenation of the blood besides reducing the inflammation and cytokine storms

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