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Coronavirus cure
vodka:
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--- Quote from: vodka on May 02, 2020, 02:11:19 pm ---
The ozone therapy may be a solution for Covid. Injecting ozone via intravenous, it achieves to improve the oxygenation of the blood besides reducing the inflammation and cytokine storms
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If Google translate is to be trusted, it says IV vitamin C or administering ozone, not administering ozone through IV. I don't think the heart will appreciate if you inject a large column of air into a vein.
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Yes,it is correct . Here, the hospital press don't explain how they do it.
Here it is the video where Dr. Alberto Hernández explains the method(3:08) and the number of patient treated. According Dr.Hernandez , they extract a blood sample from the patient. The sample mix with ozone and it reinjecting via vena.(There are subtitles)
https://youtu.be/sqDpIF3thvo
Video of the first patient recovered of the COVID19 with ozone therapy(There are subtitles)
https://youtu.be/Vm5tRirLntA
SiliconWizard:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ozone_therapy
cdev:
Where I live there has "been a run on" bidets" which spray your butt or genitalia with water and dont require TP.
And for weeks we couldnt buy any either. Now we're all set though. We used mail order and I forget the price but it was a lot more. Now the stores have it again. We are only shopping like once a month and buying a LOT of stuff.
--- Quote from: ataradov on March 13, 2020, 04:07:26 pm ---TP is gone everywhere. It is surreal. I thought it was just memes. But yesterday I went to buy some tea and saw that there was not a roll of TP in the whole store. This is just stupid.
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cdev:
https://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/epithelium
epithelium [ep″ĭ-the´le-um] (pl. epithe´lia) (Gr.)
the cellular covering of internal and external surfaces of the body, including the lining of vessels and other small cavities. It consists of cells joined by small amounts of cementing substances. Epithelium is classified into types on the basis of the number of layers deep and the shape of the superficial cells....
In the case of COVID-19 the respiratory epithelium starts leaking, and the lungs fill with a pinkish foamy mixture of dead cells and blood. Making it difficult for people to breathe. Also the nerves carrying impulses from the brain to the lungs stop working sometimes. Because the virus invades the CNS.
So the most important things that need to be done are. halt the replication of this virus and protect especially the respiratory system but also the CNS. The virus also takes a few days to be recognized fully by the immune system. Sometimes typically five to ten days after a person is first showing symptoms the immune system mounts a powerful too strong response that is not regulated properly and thats often the beginning of the end for somebody. That is called a cytokine storm.
None of this is easy to cope with for medicine. People are dying in large numbers and doctors are human beings and this is a new disease. Its also causing large scale economic problems. Investors invest large amounts of money in physical things, like factories that from their points of view are losing money every minute they sit idle. Blaming others is a total waste of time in this situation compared to time spent looking for and learning how to save peoples lives in any way we can.
Simplistic pseudoscience is almost certainly not only not going to be helpful it quite possibly is harmful. COVID-19 causes severe lung damage, and severe organ damage. Even people who survive a serious case of it are likely to still have health problems from it for the rest of their lives.
Oxygen is needed to breathe but reactive oxygen species such as produced by ozone is likely to be harmful to their bodies in a bunch of ways. Ozone therapy is totally pseudo science. It has no basis in fact that I know of.
It is used to kill bacteria in water . But that doesnt translate to people. What Trump was doing is he was taking the things he heard thatwere different therapies for different disease and trying to figure it out and describe it. There are treatments for non-covid 19 illnesses that involve taking blood out of the body and exposing it to strong light and then putting it back in. The problems with using this in COVID-19 are many, for one COVID-19 is not a blood disease.. the virus infects cells via the ACE2 receptor, and the blood plays no part. So, it wouldnt be at all helpful.
cdev:
I have this small book "Totalitarian Science" thats about the common aspects of "science" under totalitarianism. It talks about the pseudoscience that was behind some of mankind's biggest disasters of recent times.
Basically, politics should not enter into science at all. But it does.
All of the players in this disaster have an agenda that embeds the growing corporate control of the world into all solutions which are being put forward.
this virus has shown some of the weaknesses of how we develop new knowledge and what it is telling us - we're unable to just go about finding what works and doing it.
Instead we're listening to people who have vested financial interests who are obsessed with making lots of money on people in an emergency.
Also there is a large class of people who don't pursue facts logically, they have biases that they cling to aggressively which they use to defend their actions. But those biases are unscientific. I know some of these people.
Ozone therapy" is classic pseudoscience. Like solar roadways. Its junk science. Ozone is used to kill bacteria in water but in the body reactive oxygen sepecies (like hydrogen peroxide) are not a good thing at all. Brushing with baking soda and hydrogen peroxide, yes. Thats good for your teeth. helps them be whiter. and reduces gum disease. But dont do that if your gums are bleeding, get your teeth fixed first.
Hydrogen peroxide is reactive oxygen species.
Sometimes ROS provide essential functions. And are useful in signaling.
We know that now. But "Ozone" is not going to cure coronavirus in any way. You can bet on it. the people who put it forward are basically failing to fix a serious problem and they feel they have to say something helps.
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--- Quote from: blueskull on May 02, 2020, 02:25:34 pm ---
--- Quote from: vodka on May 02, 2020, 02:11:19 pm ---
The ozone therapy may be a solution for Covid. Injecting ozone via intravenous, it achieves to improve the oxygenation of the blood besides reducing the inflammation and cytokine storms
https://translate.google.es/translate?hl=es&sl=es&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.grupopoliclinica.es%2Fexito-del-primer-ensayo-clinico-espanol-con-ozonoterapia-para-pacientes-covid-19-en-grupo-policlinica%2F
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If Google translate is to be trusted, it says IV vitamin C or administering ozone, not administering ozone through IV. I don't think the heart will appreciate if you inject a large column of air into a vein.
--- End quote ---
Yes,it is correct . Here, the hospital press don't explain how they do it.
Here it is the video where Dr. Alberto Hernández explains the method(3:08) and the number of patient treated. According Dr.Hernandez , they extract a blood sample from the patient. The sample mix with ozone and it reinjecting via vena.(There are subtitles)
https://youtu.be/sqDpIF3thvo
Video of the first patient recovered of the COVID19 with ozone therapy(There are subtitles)
https://youtu.be/Vm5tRirLntA
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No no no no..
Don't do it.
On the other hand, there are some ANTI-oxidant substances that may turn out to be useful.
I think several common ones are likely to. Not to be a cure, but likely to mitigate some of the severity of it.
Vitamin C might help significantly, Zinc also, people should be taking extra zinc and Vitamin C. I am.
But dont be an idiot and think that is a cure, it isnt, and having some false sense that it may be is actually dangerous.
Lots of things need to have more eyes focused on them.
There is one possible candidate that seems not unlikely to be both an antiviral and immunomodulator, plus it addresses a huge number of the things that COVID-19 does - in other diseases.
However there is also a nonzero chance, like there is with everything, that it might not be helpful at all. I personally think the chance is much larger that it helps than hurts but my own knowledge is missing the comprehensive knowledge of cytokines and immunology and experience that I would need to posess to be able to know. This substance is active against many viruses and also against many kinds of sepsis and seems to even have activity against acute lung injury and even ARDS, when caused by other pathogens and medical conditions.
Even though we are now five months into this pandemic, nobody has investigated it yet in the ways it needs to be investigated in COVID-19, a global pandemic. That raises a red flag for me.
If any of you are doctors and working on solutions you should know. Its the best known stilbenoid. You can buy it almost anywhere.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5307780/
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