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vodka:

--- Quote from: cdev on May 03, 2020, 02:37:10 pm ---I have this small book "Totalitarian Science" thats about the common aspects of "science" under totalitarianism. It talks about the pseudoscience that was behind some of mankind's biggest disasters of recent times.

Basically, politics should not enter into science at all. But it does.

All of the players in this disaster have an agenda that embeds the growing corporate control of the world into all solutions which are being put forward.

this virus has shown some of the weaknesses of how we develop new knowledge and what it is telling us - we're unable to just go about finding what works and doing it.

Instead we're listening to people who have vested financial interests who are obsessed with making lots of money on people in an emergency.

Also there is a large class of people who don't pursue facts logically, they have biases that they cling to aggressively which they use to defend their actions.  But those biases are unscientific. I know some of these people.


Ozone therapy" is classic pseudoscience. Like solar roadways. Its junk science. Ozone is used to kill bacteria in water but in the body reactive oxygen sepecies (like hydrogen peroxide) are not a good thing at all.   Brushing with baking soda and hydrogen peroxide, yes. Thats good for your teeth. helps them be whiter. and reduces gum disease.  But dont do that if your gums are bleeding, get your teeth fixed first.
Hydrogen peroxide is reactive oxygen species.

Sometimes ROS provide essential functions. And are useful in signaling.
We know that now. But "Ozone" is not going to cure coronavirus in any way. You can bet on it. the people who put it forward are basically failing to fix a serious problem and they feel they have to say something helps.


--- Quote from: vodka on May 02, 2020, 04:25:36 pm ---
--- Quote from: blueskull on May 02, 2020, 02:25:34 pm ---
--- Quote from: vodka on May 02, 2020, 02:11:19 pm ---
The ozone therapy may be a solution for Covid. Injecting ozone via intravenous, it achieves to improve the oxygenation of the blood besides reducing the inflammation and cytokine storms

https://translate.google.es/translate?hl=es&sl=es&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.grupopoliclinica.es%2Fexito-del-primer-ensayo-clinico-espanol-con-ozonoterapia-para-pacientes-covid-19-en-grupo-policlinica%2F

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If Google translate is to be trusted, it says IV vitamin C or administering ozone, not administering ozone through IV. I don't think the heart will appreciate if you inject a large column of air into a vein.

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Yes,it is correct . Here, the hospital press don't explain how they do it.

Here it is the video where Dr. Alberto Hernández explains the method(3:08) and the number of patient treated. According Dr.Hernandez , they extract a blood sample from the patient. The sample mix with ozone and it reinjecting via vena.(There are subtitles)

https://youtu.be/sqDpIF3thvo

Video of  the first patient recovered of the COVID19  with ozone therapy(There are subtitles)

https://youtu.be/Vm5tRirLntA

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No no no no..

Don't do it.

On the other hand, there are some ANTI-oxidant substances that may turn out to be useful.

I think several common ones are likely to. Not to be a cure, but likely to mitigate some of the severity of it.

Vitamin C might help significantly, Zinc also, people should be taking extra zinc and Vitamin C. I am.

But dont be an idiot and think that is a cure, it isnt, and having some false sense that it may be is actually dangerous.

Lots of things need to have more eyes focused on them.

There is one possible candidate that seems not unlikely to be both an antiviral and immunomodulator, plus it addresses a huge number of the things that COVID-19 does - in other diseases.

However there is also a nonzero chance, like there is with everything, that it might not be helpful at all. I personally think the chance is much larger that it helps than hurts but my own knowledge is missing the comprehensive knowledge of cytokines and immunology and experience that I would need to posess to be able to know. This substance is active against many viruses and also against many kinds of sepsis and seems to even have activity against acute lung injury and even ARDS, when caused by other pathogens and medical conditions.

Even though we are now five months into this pandemic, nobody has investigated it yet in the ways it needs to be investigated in COVID-19, a global pandemic. That raises a red flag for me.

If any of you are doctors and working on solutions you should know. Its the best known stilbenoid. You can buy it almost anywhere.



https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5307780/

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First point, the pseudoscience is the wildcard of the officialism,which they feel powerless or jealous, unable to explain a phenomenon what is against of their beliefs or their dogma. On the Medicine history there are many cases, and we have not to go so far at time.

Second point: The experiment was done with 10 patients among them  there were semi-critics and critics. Nobody DIED, 10 of 10 recovered. Now, if the doctors have achieved to find a secure dosis for healing  .Isn't it valid?

Third point: The hypothesis of the hemoglobin (curiously censored in youtube): The theory is that the virus interferes with the hemoglobin molecule avoiding the set up of oxigen , provoking the cytokines storm and the inflamations of the organs

https://youtu.be/qYUD3Dqu8Oc ((8:15) and (34:35))
https://youtu.be/w-BtnQ3gKTI  ((10:41))

cdev:
I just found this paper yesterday which gave a fairly good explanation of oxygen's roles in viral infections.

Oxygen and viruses: a breathing story
https://www.microbiologyresearch.org/content/journal/jgv/10.1099/vir.0.000172

If you are reading scientific journals looking for things that mitigate coronavirus, you have to know what to look for. There are a number of articles out there telling you how to think like a scientist. The reason I put forward RESV are all based in science, which in its case included the fact that a number of different chains of logic all led me there. And interestingly there was little or no overlap, the reasons that emerged in these different all chains of logic were complementary.

Its not pseudoscience to suspect that if a substance inhibits closely related other coronaviruses that it might also inhibit it too.
 Especially when it may quite possibly address so many other needs that doctors have. Its hard to ignore a substance when it may help restore a healthy immune response that has been dysregulated. polymicrobial sepsis, coagulopathy , and others.. When it clears the airway and improves the integrity of the respiratory epithelium.

The ozone psedoscience goes back many decades, its not new. Its been disproven. 

But common sense and science keeps telling us to look at RESV. Like this study on pre-exposure prophylaxis of the virulent pseudorabies virus.


--- Quote from: vodka on May 04, 2020, 06:36:26 pm ---
First point, the pseudoscience is the wildcard of the officialism,which they feel powerless or jealous, unable to explain a phenomenon what is against of their beliefs or their dogma. On the Medicine history there are many cases, and we have not to go so far at time.



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james_s:

--- Quote from: vodka on May 04, 2020, 05:35:22 pm ---Certain, the water is too toxic? NO, it depends of dosis. It is not the same a water bottle at room than a room full the water.

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Sure but what is a safe dose of ozone? As someone else said, it's very unselective, like UV-C or bleach it destroys biological material that it contacts. Medications are normally made of substances that act selectively in the doses they are used. I certainly will not be deliberately exposing myself to the stuff or putting it into my blood. It's nice for eliminating odors and reducing the amount of bromine I need to sanitize the water in my hot tub though.

DrG:
Encouraging...

A human monoclonal antibody blocking SARS-CoV-2 infection.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-020-16256-y

cdev:
That looks interesting but I must confess, I only understand maybe 25% at best of what is being said at this point, if that. I understand some of the procedures, but most of this particular discipline is still just completely new to me.


--- Quote from: DrG on May 05, 2020, 03:44:52 am ---Encouraging...

A human monoclonal antibody blocking SARS-CoV-2 infection.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-020-16256-y

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Given a corpus of unstructured text from scientific journal articles, what I need is a natual language processor that can ingest text and spit out a chart of all the proper words, and extract the descibed relationships and what was meant and turn it into tables of what it figured out about them :)

"What could possibly go wrong" !

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